Speculative Time Jump Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical implications of using a time machine to instantaneously jump forward in time, specifically focusing on the effects on kinematic vectors such as position, velocity, and acceleration during this jump. The conversation explores theoretical aspects of time travel, its mechanics, and the mathematical implications of discontinuous time changes.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a time jump would result in losing all kinematic vectors, suggesting that the Earth’s motion would leave them adrift in space.
  • Another participant argues that speculating about time machines is pointless since they have not been invented.
  • It is noted that the operation of the time machine would depend on the underlying physics, which has not been defined in the discussion.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to specify 4-coordinates and rest frames for the time machine's operation.
  • One contributor suggests that the method of time travel would dictate the target location and the mechanics of the jump.
  • A later reply expresses a desire to understand how instantaneous time changes would mathematically affect position and velocity vectors, questioning the implications of discontinuous time on these physical properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanics of time travel or its implications, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes speculative elements that rely on undefined theories of time travel, leading to unresolved questions about the mathematical treatment of instantaneous changes in time and their physical consequences.

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I'm sure this has been asked 1000 times before, but here's my shot:

If I had a time machine and intantaneously 'jumped' 1 hour in the future, would I lose all my kinematic vector (velocity, acceleration) during my time jump?

I read on another thread on PF that the Earth is moving roughly 390 km/s considering motion around sun, sun's motion around galaxy, galaxy rotation through whatever. So it seems that after my time jump the Earth will have moved 1,404,000 km and I will be hopelessly adrift in space.

It would seem that I should build my time machine with a very elaborate teleportation feature, or else do it in a spaceship which means I would be spending a lot of time catching up to the Earth. 390 km/s is really, really fast!

I'm curious about what the theoretical folks think, and yes, I have lost sleep over this!
 
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A time machine hasn't been invented, so speculating as to its properties seems kind of pointless.
 
It's hard to say what would happen because you haven't described how the time machine does it.

Seems to me your machine needs to specify your 4-coordinates for where you're going as well as your rest frame upon your arrival.

Try it on a little lizard before you step through yourself.
 
Antiphon said:
Try it on a little lizard before you step through yourself.

:smile: You owe me a new keyboard! :-p
 
Yes, the trouble is that how it is operated will depend entirely on the physics by which it hypothetically works. The method by which the device reaches into the future and establishes a point the will dictate the freedoms by which that point can be placed.

You must first invent a plausible way time travel can occur at all, then invent a plausible way of engineering that to come about. By then, you will know what happens to its target location - there will be no choice.

By a similar example, if you were to build a wormhole, it would be you who would place the target end of it. You could only go to where you were able to place the target.

With some time machine, you would probably need a receiver at each end with a bridge between them. So your end location would be wherever you put the receiver.
 
I truly appreciate your responses.

Without the story line (time machine, etc) my question really boils down to this: How would the position and velocity vectors be impacted by an instantaneous change in time?

I know from calculus that the derivatives for velocity and acceleration depend on continuous time, so this is really the speculative part of the question. If a particle is moving smoothly and then the independent variable is suddenly discontinuous what would happen to the position and velocity? Mathmatically I would assume they would simply be 'not defined' but to me this is a cop out, because in physics I don't think things simply disappear.

I love the lizard suggestion, but I'd better put a little beacon on him so I can find where he went.

alvin
 
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