Speed of light in a superconductor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the speed of light in superconductors, exploring the implications of superconductivity on electromagnetic properties and the behavior of light in such materials. Participants examine theoretical aspects, mathematical relations, and the physical characteristics of superconductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the applicability of certain relations used to calculate the speed of light in materials, suggesting that the assumptions may lead to nonsensical conclusions when applied to superconductors.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of negative index of refraction materials, indicating that this complicates the understanding of light behavior in superconductors.
  • A different participant notes that in a perfect conductor, the permittivity is infinite, raising uncertainty about whether this applies to superconductors, which are characterized by very low resistance.
  • It is mentioned that the penetration depth of light into a conductor is related to resistivity, implying that in a perfect conductor, light would not penetrate at all.
  • One participant asserts that electromagnetic radiation does not exist inside an ideal superconductor, suggesting a fundamental difference in behavior compared to normal materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of light in superconductors, with no consensus reached regarding the implications of superconductivity on the speed of light and electromagnetic radiation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of permittivity and permeability in superconductors, as well as the implications of negative index materials and the nature of electromagnetic radiation in these contexts.

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Researchers and students interested in superconductivity, electromagnetism, and the behavior of light in various materials may find this discussion relevant.

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Could you please spot where is the fault in this reasoning? I suspect that some of the relations may not be applicable and needs to be substituted with something else (or I'm just making a gross mistake as usual...):

Speed of light in a material:

[tex]c=\sqrt{\frac{1}{\epsilon\mu}}[/tex]

where permettivity is

[tex]\mu=\mu_r\mu_0[/tex]

and suscettivity is

[tex]\chi_m=\mu_r - 1[/tex]

which describes the magnetization of the material due to an external magnetic field

[tex]M=\chi_m H[/tex]

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A superconductor behaves like a perfectly diamagnetic material, suppressing the internal field B because

[tex]\chi_m = - 1[/tex]

[tex]M=-H[/tex]

therefore

[tex]\mu_r = 0[/tex]

[tex]\mu = 0[/tex]

[tex]c=infinite[/tex]

which clearly makes no sense...
 
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there are also negative index of refraction materials
which also mess that up.

i think the subtlety is the phase vs group velocity
of the light waves.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity

"...The phase velocity of electromagnetic radiation may under certain circumstances (e.g. in the case of anomalous dispersion) exceed the speed of light in a vacuum, but this does not indicate any superluminal information or energy transfer..."
 
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Also, in a perfect conductor, [itex]\epsilon = \infty[/itex]. I don't know if this applies to superconductors (but they do offer practically zero resistance, yes?).
 
IIRC, the penetration depth of light into a conductor is proportionate to the resistivity, so in a perfect conductor light won't penetrate at all (the charge carries at the surface absorb all the light that isn't reflected).
 
What you are discovering is that you don't have electromagnetic radiation inside an ideal superconductor.
 

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