Speed of light /time / and material

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light as it travels through different materials, specifically addressing the speed of light in various media, the experience of photons, and the implications for time perception. Participants explore theoretical aspects of light's speed, absorption and re-emission processes, and the nature of time as experienced by photons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how photons experience time when traveling through materials that slow them down, suggesting that a photon might not experience time while moving at speed c and may experience time differently when moving at slower speeds.
  • Another participant proposes that photons are absorbed and re-emitted by the material, maintaining speed c between absorptions, but this is contested by others who argue against the individual atom model of absorption and re-emission.
  • Some participants suggest that the collective vibrational modes of the material are responsible for the absorption and emission of light, rather than individual atoms, indicating a quantum-mechanical phenomenon.
  • There is confusion about how light can be observed at speeds less than c and whether this implies that photons experience time differently in various media.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of light absorption and re-emission, with no consensus on whether individual atoms or collective modes are responsible. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these mechanisms for the experience of time by photons.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified assumptions about the nature of light propagation in materials, the definitions of speed in different contexts, and the implications for time perception. There are unresolved questions about the validity of the absorption and re-emission model.

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Alright, I have a noddle scratcher..at least for me.

I understand light can slow down and speed up as it moves through different materials. I know light cannot exceed the speed of light (c). I know at the speed of light time is instantaneous or stops - same difference.

So my question is this: since light slows down when going through material, such as glass, what would the photon observe? and what would we observe?

Like, a photon of light leaves the sun at speed c then goes through a piece of glass at (2/3)c and exists the glass at speed c again?

First, isn't light always at speed c? how can we possible observe light at (2/3)c. Or is the theory that the speed of light is always the same relative to everything else? So someone outside the glass would see the light at (2/3)c and someone moving inside the glass would observe it at the same speed (2/3)c?

Second, what the heck would this photon experience. Would it be instantaneously brought to the glass and not experience time, and then as it moves through the glass all of a sudden experience time, and then no time as it moves at c again as it exists?

Which leaves me to my big picture question? Is a photon usually moving less than (c) since it is hardly moving through a perfect vacuum? If so, most photons do experience time?

I am just trying to figure out what happens as photons move through stopped time to some slow time as they change speed.

I hope I articulated what I am trying to ask. Please help!
 
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In the "General Physics Forums" there's a thread called Physics Forums FAQ, see post #4 on that thread--at a micro level, what's happening is that photons are repeatedly getting absorbed and re-emitted by the material of the medium, they still always travel at c between absorptions.
 
JesseM said:
In the "General Physics Forums" there's a thread called Physics Forums FAQ, see post #4 on that thread--at a micro level, what's happening is that photons are repeatedly getting absorbed and re-emitted by the material of the medium, they still always travel at c between absorptions.
Dear Jesse,I don't think so that the matter absorb and re-submit the photon. If this occur who can confirm that the nucleus or electron (usually) absorb the photon will re-submit it by 180 degree knowing that the atom and electron moving randomly. The light will deviate and take undefined direction as diffusion.
 
Elias Y Daoud said:
Dear Jesse,I don't think so that the matter absorb and re-submit the photon. If this occur who can confirm that the nucleus or electron (usually) absorb the photon will re-submit it by 180 degree knowing that the atom and electron moving randomly. The light will deviate and take undefined direction as diffusion.
Please read the FAQ article I linked to, it's not that the individual atoms are absorbing and re-emitting photons, rather it's that "collective vibrational modes" of the material are doing the absorption and emission (a quantum-mechanical phenomenon).
 
JesseM said:
Please read the FAQ article I linked to, it's not that the individual atoms are absorbing and re-emitting photons, rather it's that "collective vibrational modes" of the material are doing the absorption and emission (a quantum-mechanical phenomenon).
Thank you, I read this. I'm new :) to this site, so I have to discover it first.
Thanks
 

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