Speed of rocket as viewed from Earth

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The discussion revolves around a problem in relativistic physics concerning the motion of a rocket accelerating at a constant rate as observed from Earth. The original poster presents equations that describe the rocket's position and time in its own frame, seeking to determine its distance from Earth and speed after 40 years.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of using units where the speed of light is set to one, questioning the appropriateness of the original equations without including factors of c. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between proper time and coordinate time in the Earth frame.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with some participants suggesting corrections to the original poster's approach. A specific method for incorporating the speed of light into the equations has been proposed, and one participant expresses confidence in the revised calculations, while another suggests additional considerations for expressing the distance in light-years.

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Participants note that the original equations assume a specific unit system and question the accuracy of the original poster's calculations regarding proper time and its relation to coordinate time.

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Homework Statement


A rocket starts at rest from the Earth, moving in the z direction so that in its own instantaneous rest frame the acceleration is always g = 9.8 m/s^2. To an observer on Earth, its position is given by

## z(\tau) = \frac{cosh(g\tau) - 1}{g} ##
## t = \frac{sinh(g\tau)}{g} ##

where ##\tau## is the rocket's proper time. Measured in a reference frame at rest on the Earth, how far from the Earth will the rocket be in 40 years? How fast will it be going?

Homework Equations



Four-velocity:
## U^\mu = (\gamma, \frac{d\underline{x}}{d \tau}) = (\gamma, 0, 0, sinh(g\tau)) ##

The Attempt at a Solution


t = 40 years = ##1.26\times10^9 s##
g = ##9.8m/s^2##

##g\tau = sinh^{-1}(gt) = sinh^{-1}((9.8)(1.26\times10^9)) = 23.93##

##z = \frac{cosh(g\tau)-1}{g} = \frac{cosh(23.93)-1}{9.8} = 1.26\times10^9 m##

## U^z = sinh(g\tau) = sinh(23.93) = 1.24\times10^{10} m/s##

But this is greater than the speed of light so it can't be right.
 
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Your formulas for ##z## and ##t## must be assuming units where ##c = 1##. It would be a good idea to insert factors of ##c## so that you can work with meters and seconds.

The z component of the 4-velocity is ##dz/d\tau##. But this is not the velocity you want. In the Earth frame, a time increment would be ##dt##, not ##d \tau##.
 
There seems to be an error in your calculation of ##\tau##. You have ##\tau## = 2.4 seconds (23.93/g). But for the first several months ##t \approx \tau## because the rocket speed << c.

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TSny said:
Your formulas for ##z## and ##t## must be assuming units where ##c = 1##. It would be a good idea to insert factors of ##c## so that you can work with meters and seconds.

The z component of the 4-velocity is ##dz/d\tau##. But this is not the velocity you want. In the Earth frame, a time increment would be ##dt##, not ##d \tau##.

Yes, I forgot to say the question mentions that the equations ## z(\tau) = \frac{cosh(g\tau) - 1}{g} ## and ## t = \frac{sinh(g\tau)}{g} ## are in units where ##c=1##. So reinserting factors of ##c##, would these equations become:

##gt/c = sinh(g\tau /c)##
##z(\tau) = \frac{cosh(g\tau /c) - 1}{g/c^2} ##?

Then for ##t=40 years=1.26 \times 10^9 s##, we have

##g\tau /c = sinh^{-1}(gt/c) = sinh^{-1}[\frac{(9.8)(1.26 \times 10^9)}{3 \times 10^8}]= 4.41##

Giving a distance measured in the Earth frame:

## z= \frac{cosh(g\tau /c) - 1}{g/c^2} = \frac{(3 \times 10^8)^2}{9.8}[cosh(4.41) -1] = 3.69 \times 10^{17} m##.

The speed in the Earth frame would then be:

##U^z = \frac{dz}{d\tau}\frac{d\tau}{dt}
= c sinh(g\tau /c) \frac{1}{cosh(gt/c)}
= c tanh(gt/c)
= c tanh(4.41)
=0.9997c##

Is this the right way to do it?
 
That looks correct to me.

It might be nice to express the distance in light-years.
 
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