Spherical bubble rises to surface, Ideal Gas, Thermal Energy

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a spherical air bubble rising in a lake, focusing on the changes in volume and thermal energy as the bubble ascends from a depth of 10.0 °C and 2.00 atm to the surface at 20.0 °C and 1.00 atm. Participants are exploring concepts related to ideal gas behavior and thermal energy changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the ideal gas law and the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature to find the final-to-initial volume ratio. Some express uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the change in thermal energy.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved. Some participants have offered hints about using the ideal gas law to find necessary values, while others are still grappling with the calculations and concepts involved, particularly for part B.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to determine the number of moles in the bubble and the implications of the assumptions regarding the ideal gas behavior in this context. There is also mention of the degrees of freedom for air molecules, which may influence the thermal energy calculations.

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Homework Statement


A spherical air bubble in a lake expands as it rises slowly to the surface. At the point it starts to rise, the pressure is 2.00 atm, the temperature of the water is 10.0 ∘C, and the radius of the bubble is 5.00 × 10^−3 m. At the surface, the pressure is 1.00 atm and the temperature of the water is 20.0 ∘C.

A) What is the final-to-initial volume ratio for the expanding bubble?

B) What is the change in thermal energy of the bubble?

Homework Equations


For part B: P1V1/T1=P2V2/T2

For part A: I honestly have no idea. I've tried messing around with change in thermal energy = N*Cv*deltaT
but I'm not getting any where.

The Attempt at a Solution


This problem is under the section for isobaric and isothermal ideal gas processes, but I'm not seeing how it is either.
 
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MaryCate22 said:

Homework Equations


For part B: P1V1/T1=P2V2/T2

For part A: I honestly have no idea. I've tried messing around with change in thermal energy = N*Cv*deltaT
but I'm not getting any where.

Try swapping the hint for part B for part A.
 
MaryCate22 said:

Homework Statement


A spherical air bubble in a lake expands as it rises slowly to the surface. At the point it starts to rise, the pressure is 2.00 atm, the temperature of the water is 10.0 ∘C, and the radius of the bubble is 5.00 × 10^−3 m. At the surface, the pressure is 1.00 atm and the temperature of the water is 20.0 ∘C.

A) What is the final-to-initial volume ratio for the expanding bubble?

B) What is the change in thermal energy of the bubble?

Homework Equations


For part B: P1V1/T1=P2V2/T2
You can use this equation to answer question A. You know P1 and T1 deep in the water, and you know P2 and T2, at the surface. What is V2/V1?
 
To do part B, you are going to have to know the number of moles in the bubble. You can get this from the initial condition using the ideal gas law. What is it? After that you can get the final volume using the ideal gas law again , knowing the number of moles, the temperature and the pressure.
 
Sorry guys, I meant to put P1V1/T1=P2V2/T2 for Part A. I have that part. Part B is what is getting me, finding the change in thermal energy.
 
MaryCate22 said:
For part B: I honestly have no idea. I've tried messing around with change in thermal energy = N*Cv*deltaT
but I'm not getting any where.
Yo can find N from the ideal gas law : PV=NRT if N is the mol number. You know delta T. And air consist mostly of two-atomic molecules, with f=5 degrees of freedom.
 

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