Spherical magnet dropped through aluminum pole rotates?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of a spherical magnet dropped through an aluminum pole, specifically whether the magnet rotates to align its poles vertically or horizontally as it falls. Participants explore the implications of Lenz's law and the induced currents in aluminum, considering both theoretical and experimental perspectives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Lenz's law indicates the induced current will slow the magnet's fall, but they question the orientation of the magnet during this process.
  • One participant suggests that the induced magnetic field created by the aluminum will repel the magnet's pole that is moving downward, potentially causing a rotation.
  • Another participant raises the idea that the magnetic field just ahead of the magnet could attract the upper pole, while the field behind repels the lower pole, leading to a complex interaction that may influence the magnet's orientation.
  • There is speculation that the resistivity of aluminum might affect the speed of the induced currents, which could impact the balance of forces acting on the magnet and its resulting orientation.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the effects of the magnetic fields and suggests that the slowing effect might be maximized when the magnet is horizontal, but acknowledges this is just a guess.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the magnet will rotate to align its poles vertically or horizontally. Multiple competing views and hypotheses remain regarding the dynamics of the induced currents and magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of magnetic fields and induced currents, as well as the specific properties of aluminum, which may not be fully resolved.

Erwin Derek
Lenz's law shows that dropping a magnet through an aluminum pole will cause an induced current that slows down its fall drastically.

I found a website that talks about this a little: https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/TTT-slowfall/slowfall.htm

It has the following question:

Obtain such a spherical magnet that is slightly smaller than the inside diameter of the tube. The sphere will fall slowly down the tube just as the cylinder did. Mark the magnet "poles" with small colored stickers. Now watch the sphere from above as it falls down the tube. Does the sphere always rotate and re-orient so that one of the poles is up, and the other down? Or does it re-orient with the magnetic axis horizontal? Why?

I don't see any reason why the sphere would rotate. I think the net force exerted by all the induced currents should just point directly up regardless of what orientation the magnet is dropped. Can anyone explain if the sphere would rotate to have its poles vertical or horizontal, and why would it do this?

I am guessing it may have to do with the resistivity of aluminum or something...
 
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The induced current in the aluminum creates a magnetic field that is opposite the direction of the field from the magnet. If the + pole is towards the direction of travel, the field that gets created just ahead of it will point towards the + pole and thereby repel it. A similar repulsion occurs if the - pole is towards the direction of travel. This should give a clue as to what you might expect to see.
 
Charles Link said:
The induced current in the aluminum creates a magnetic field that is opposite the direction of the field from the magnet. If the + pole is towards the direction of travel, the field that gets created just ahead of it will point towards the + pole and thereby repel it. This should give a clue as to what you might expect to see.

How about the field just before it? Wouldn't that field attract the upper pole just as much as the ahead field repels the lower pole?

If the field ahead of the magnet comes faster, maybe due to the resistivity of aluminum, then perhaps its repulsion would be a bit more than the attraction of the upper field? By this logic the ball might rotate so that its poles are horizontal... what do you think?
 
Erwin Derek said:
How about the field just before it? Wouldn't that field attract the upper pole just as much as the ahead field repels the lower pole?

If the field ahead of the magnet comes faster, maybe due to the resistivity of aluminum, then perhaps its repulsion would be a bit more than the attraction of the upper field? By this logic the ball might rotate so that its poles are horizontal... what do you think?
I think you are correct in that the upper pole experiences a pull on it to slow it down. Just a guess is that the slowing effect might get maximized for both poles when the magnet is horizontal, but it's just a guess.(Editing: I just read your second line=yes I think I agree with you, but I'm not 100% sure.) The region ahead will slow the pole and the region behind it will also pull on it to slow it, regardless of the polarity. ## \\ ## Additional editing: Also the magnetic field is strongest right at the surface near the axis of the poles, and this would have the most effect on the aluminum in the horizontal direction, inducing larger currents.
 
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