Spin assumption for fermions in potential well.

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of two identical fermions in a potential well, focusing on the implications of their spin states on the symmetry of the wavefunction. Participants explore the conditions under which the wavefunction should be anti-symmetric or symmetric based on the spins of the fermions, and how this extends to scenarios involving more than two fermions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if two fermions have the same spin, the wavefunction must be anti-symmetric, implying the need to accommodate exchange interactions.
  • Another participant proposes that if the two fermions have different spins, the wavefunction could be symmetric, questioning whether this leads to a normalized linear combination of the four possible spin states.
  • A participant provides a breakdown of the four possible spin states for two identical spin-1/2 particles, noting the symmetry requirements for the corresponding spatial wavefunctions.
  • There is a suggestion that the same principles apply when considering more than two fermions, requiring a systematic approach to determine the correct symmetries and linear combinations of wavefunctions.
  • One participant mentions the increasing complexity of determining the correct linear combinations as the number of fermions increases, highlighting the utility of Slater determinants for this purpose.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to consider the symmetry of the wavefunction based on the spins of the fermions, but there is no consensus on the specific implications for the wavefunction when spins differ. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact formulation of the wavefunction in various scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of determining wavefunction symmetries increases with the number of fermions, and the discussion does not resolve the specifics of how to construct these wavefunctions beyond two particles.

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Hi,
Assume I’m solving a 2-particle (fermions) problem in a potential well. If I set the wavefunction as anti-symmetric, then by default I’m assuming that the two particles has the same spin and hence exchange interaction has to be accommodated for.

But what if the 2 fermions have different spins? Shouldn't in this case I set the wavefunction to be only symmetric (since no Pauli exclusion here)? And what would be the final wave function? Is it a normalized linear combination of the 4 cases (2 ups, 2 downs, and 2 mixed-spin)?

Thanks for your help on that.
 
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For two identical spin-1/2 particles in different potential-well eigenstates, there are four possible spin states:
$$
| \alpha \alpha \rangle \\
\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( | \alpha \beta \rangle + | \beta \alpha \rangle \right) \\
| \beta \beta \rangle \\
\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( | \alpha \beta \rangle - | \beta \alpha \rangle \right)
$$
The first three are symmetric, and therefore the corresponding spatial wave function is anti-symmetric, while the last one is anti-symmetric, requiring a symmetric spatial wave function.

So to answer your question: you have to consider all possible linear combinations of spins that have a defined symmetry, and combine each with a spatial wave function of the propoer symmetry such that the total wave function obeys Pauli's principle.
 
Thanks Dr Claude. Your answer make sense and consistent with my understanding. I'm assuming the same concept can be applied if we have more than 2 fermions (3 for example)? We have to list all the scenarios, assign correct symmetricity, and finally linearly combine the resulting wavefunctions.
 
ranytawfik said:
I'm assuming the same concept can be applied if we have more than 2 fermions (3 for example)? We have to list all the scenarios, assign correct symmetricity, and finally linearly combine the resulting wavefunctions.

Yes. But as the number of fermions increases, it becomes very difficult to figure out by hand how to make the correct linear combinations. Fortunately, this is easily done using a Slater determinant.
 
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