Spin up and Spin down states can be written as .... why?

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The discussion revolves around the representation of spin up and spin down states in the x direction in terms of those in the z direction. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and implications of these representations, including concepts related to basis transformations and rotations in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant presents the expressions for spin up and down states in the x direction and questions their validity and derivation, suggesting a connection to permutation rotation and orthogonality.
  • Another participant suggests finding the matrix form of the spin operator in the z basis and its eigenvectors as a method to understand the transformation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the notation |z;±> and confirms it refers to spin up and down states in the z direction.
  • One participant requests resources for understanding how to change from one basis to another, emphasizing the need for explanations rather than solutions to specific problems.
  • A later reply provides a resource link for a derivation related to amplitudes and discusses the implications of rotations on these states.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on the mathematical concepts involved. There is no consensus on the derivation of the spin state representations, and multiple approaches are suggested without resolution.

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Participants note the need for a deeper understanding of basis transformations and the mathematical framework underlying the spin states, indicating potential limitations in their current resources.

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Spin up and spin down states in the x direction can be written as

|Upx> = 1/ √2 ( |Upz> + |Downz> )
and
|Downx> = 1/ √2 ( - |Upz> + |Downz> )

My textbook just stated the above facts without referencing why and I've been going through the spin chapter for a while now and I can't see it. Why is this true?

Is it something to do with permutation rotation and orthogonality? For example I could switch the x to y and the z to x and the expressions would be correct
 
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Find the matrix form of ##S_x## in the basis ##|z;\pm\rangle## and then find its eigenvectors. Alternatively, you can also apply the rotation operator about the y-axis by 90 degree to the ##|z;\pm\rangle## states.
 
Hm okay I have the Sx matrix and a matrix in the n direction Sn. Do you know of any online notes that explain how to change from one basis to another? I found a few questions but they look like homework solutions and I was after explanations, it doesn't explain change of basis in my book. Just to clarify, |z;±> means spin up and spin down states in z direction right?
 
Sara Kennedy said:
Do you know of any online notes that explain how to change from one basis to another? I found a few questions but they look like homework solutions and I was after explanations, it doesn't explain change of basis in my book.
Try searching for "change of coordinates matrix", you should find a number of resources on this matter. In general, to find the change of coordinate matrix, you have to know how the vector in one basis is expressed in terms of the basis vectors in the other basis.
Sara Kennedy said:
Just to clarify, |z;±> means spin up and spin down states in z direction right?
Yes.
 
Sara Kennedy said:
I was after explanations
See http://feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/III_06.html for a derivation of these equations (6.32) for "amplitudes". The derivation starts from the fact that a 360 degree rotation changes the sign of both amplitudes (because otherwise a 180 degree rotation would be physically equivalent to a 360 degree rotation).
 

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