Spinning Objects in a Rotation: Causes and Effects

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of spinning objects, particularly focusing on why a fork or similar objects return to the hand upside down after a 360-degree rotation. Participants explore the physical principles behind rotational motion, including the effects of initial conditions and angular momentum, as well as specific phenomena like the "Tennis Racket Theorem." The scope includes conceptual explanations and technical reasoning related to mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that a fork returns upside down after a 360-degree toss, suggesting a potential relationship between the toss angle and the rotation plane.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the way the object is thrown, including hand angle and twisting motion, influences the outcome.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the behavior of a spinning bicycle wheel in space, with a participant noting the sensation of twisting when holding the axle.
  • One participant asserts that if no net external torque acts on a spinning wheel, its angular momentum will be conserved in both magnitude and direction.
  • Another participant references Euler's equations to explain stability in rotation about different axes, indicating that rotation about the intermediate axis leads to flipping, as experienced with the fork.
  • The "Tennis Racket Theorem" is introduced as a related concept derived from Euler's equations, further explaining the observed behavior of spinning objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanics of spinning objects, with some agreeing on the influence of initial conditions and angular momentum while others introduce different aspects of rotational dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanics at play in the tossing scenario.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference established concepts from intermediate mechanics, such as Euler's equations and the Tennis Racket Theorem, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the underlying reasons for the observed behaviors.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mechanics, physics enthusiasts exploring rotational dynamics, or individuals curious about the behavior of spinning objects in various contexts.

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I was recently casually tosing a fork in my hand so it completed a 360 degree rotation with the handle landing back in my hand. I noticed that everytime I did this, the fork returned to my hand upside down (ie facing downwards). So it took a 720 degree rotation for it to come back in my hand the right way up. I tried this with spoons and my handphone and got a similar result. At first I thought the way in which I was tossing the fork might be causing it to rotate on a plane perpendcular to the plane of which I tossed the object. This may be the case; if not, I was hoping to understand the physical explanation of why an object spins in a perpendiclar plane to the direction of rotation, when it is tossed up. Thanks.
 
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The initial cause-ual conditions of motion account for the eventual effectual conditions of motion.

I do not quite understand what you are asking, a sketch or a re-explanation could help, but keep in mind the above statement. Also think about what determines the direction of spin in a sink of emptying water...
 
It's just a matter of the way you are throwing it. Your hand is angled and you are twisting as you throw it. Put some effort into it and I'm sure you can flip it without twisting it.
 
Thanks Russ, I thought that might be the reason. Just a follow up question... If I spun a wheel in space, say a bicycle wheel, would it keep spining in the initial plane that I set it in motion. I noticed, when fixing my bicycle, that when I spun the wheel and held it at the axel, I could feel it trying to twist in my hand. Why is that?
 
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Thanks Russ, I thought that might be the reason. Just a follow up question... If I spun a wheel in space, say a bicycle wheel, would it keep spining in the initial plane that I set it in motion.
Yes. Provided there is no net external torque the initial angulur momentum will be conserved - in both magnitude and direction.
 
damo_clark said:
I was recently casually tosing a fork in my hand so it completed a 360 degree rotation with the handle landing back in my hand. I noticed that everytime I did this, the fork returned to my hand upside down (ie facing downwards). So it took a 720 degree rotation for it to come back in my hand the right way up. I tried this with spoons and my handphone and got a similar result. At first I thought the way in which I was tossing the fork might be causing it to rotate on a plane perpendcular to the plane of which I tossed the object. This may be the case; if not, I was hoping to understand the physical explanation of why an object spins in a perpendiclar plane to the direction of rotation, when it is tossed up. Thanks.
This effect is explained in most intermediate level Mechanics books.
Using Euler's equations for rotation about principle axes, you can show that the axis of rotation is stable for rotation about the longest and shortest dimension, but unstable for rotation about the intermediate axis. It is demonstrated most clearly with a book. Use a string to keep it from opening. When tossed rotating about its long or shortest axis it
spins without flipping, but acts like your fork if it is spun about the intermediate axis.
 
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Tennis Racket Theorem

This effect is often called the "Tennis Racket Theorem", derived as clem says from Euler's equations.
 
Thanks Doc Al, I often thought it was just my bad luck that when I dropped a piece of buttered bread it more often that not, landed face down. Now I can blame the laws of physics. I feel much better :)
 

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