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The discussion centers on the treatment of derivatives as fractions in calculus, particularly in the context of undergraduate dynamics. It highlights the risks of this approach, noting that treating derivatives as fractions can obscure their true meaning and lead to misconceptions, especially in higher dimensions. The conversation emphasizes that while such manipulations can simplify problem-solving in one-dimensional cases, they may not hold in more complex scenarios. The importance of understanding the limits and the nature of derivatives is stressed, as well as the need for caution when applying these concepts to non-smooth functions. Ultimately, the discussion advocates for a deeper comprehension of derivatives beyond mere fractional interpretations.
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In undergraduate dynamics, they do things like this:
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v = ds/dt
a = dv/dt
Then, from this, they construct: a ds = v dv
And they use that to solve some problems.
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Now I have read that it is NOT wise to treat the derivative like a fraction: it obliterates the meaning.
And that such tricks like the above one, work only in 1D cases. But it is bad policy to get used to it.

I have a FEELING for that, but no PRECISE explanation of why it is unwise to treat the derivative like a fraction.

Can someone please explain this?

And if you can explain it -- and I hope you can -- then I will come back and ask you to discuss that in the context of differential forms where "dx" is a co-vector.

Because with regard to differential forms, one DOES have these bases from the dual space.

Could someone address this for me?
 
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As long as you know what you do, you can treat it as a fraction - as always with abbreviations. A closer inspection, however, gives rise to some questions: Where is the limit? In the "d"? But we have only one limit and two "d", and this is the major risk here ##\displaystyle \lim \frac{\Delta x(t)}{\Delta t} \neq \frac{\lim \Delta x(t)}{\lim \Delta t}##. Another point is, that it marks a derivative, that is ##\displaystyle t_0 \longmapsto \left. \frac{dx(t)}{dt}\right|_{t=t_0}## which is an entire vector field. I recently counted the ways a derivative can be viewed as and found ##10## different interpretations of only one formula, and the fraction wasn't even among them:

$$
D_{x_0}L_g(v)= \left.\frac{d}{d\,x}\right|_{x=x_0}\,L_g(x).v = J_{x_0}(L_g)(v)=J(L_g)(x_0;v)
$$
can be viewed as
  1. first derivative ##L'_g : x \longmapsto \alpha(x)##
  2. differential ##dL_g = \alpha_x \cdot d x##
  3. linear approximation of ##L_g## by ##L_g(x_0+\varepsilon)=L_g(x_0)+J_{x_0}(L_g)\cdot \varepsilon +O(\varepsilon^2) ##
  4. linear mapping (Jacobi matrix) ##J_{x}(L_g) : v \longmapsto \alpha_{x} \cdot v##
  5. vector (tangent) bundle ##(p,\alpha_{p}\;d x) \in (D\times \mathbb{R},\mathbb{R},\pi)##
  6. ##1-##form (Pfaffian form) ##\omega_{p} : v \longmapsto \langle \alpha_{p} , v \rangle ##
  7. cotangent bundle ##(p,\omega_p) \in (D,T^*D,\pi^*)##
  8. section of ##(D\times \mathbb{R},\mathbb{R},\pi)\, : \,\sigma \in \Gamma(D,TD)=\Gamma(D) : p \longmapsto \alpha_{p}##
  9. If ##f,g : D \mapsto \mathbb{R}## are smooth functions, then $$D_xL_y (f\cdot g) = \alpha_x (f\cdot g)' = \alpha_x (f'\cdot g + f \cdot g') = D_xL_y(f)\cdot g + f \cdot D_xL_y(g)$$ and ##D_xL_y## is a derivation on ##C^\infty(\mathbb{R})##.
  10. ##L_x^*(\alpha_y)=\alpha_{xy}## is the pullback section of ##\sigma: p \longmapsto \alpha_p## by ##L_x##.
The question about the dimension is a bit tricky. As long as we consider a single derivative, it is a directional differential, in which direction ever. But - as in the examples above - the entire tangent bundle is often considered, and we get
$$
d\, f = \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i}\,dx_i
$$
and then we have ##n## fractions in ##n## directions, which are reduced to a scalar, the component of the corresponding tangent vector. The fraction is o.k. as long as we consider the whole thing as a slope. If we start using it as a real quotient and calculate with it, we have to keep in mind, that it is merely an abbreviation. If it helps to find a solution, fine, but we should check the answer and especially be careful if we'll deal with functions, that are not smooth.
 
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As long as you know what you do, you can treat it as a fraction - as always with abbreviations. A closer inspection, however, gives rise to some questions: Where is the limit? In the "d"? But we have only one limit and two "d", and this is the major risk here ##\displaystyle \lim \frac{\Delta x(t)}{\Delta t} \neq \frac{\lim \Delta x(t)}{\lim \Delta t}##. Another point is, that it marks a derivative, that is ##\displaystyle t_0 \longmapsto \left. \frac{dx(t)}{dt}\right|_{t=t_0}## which is an entire vector field. I recently counted the ways a derivative can be viewed as and found ##10## different interpretations of only one formula, and the fraction wasn't even among them:

$$
D_{x_0}L_g(v)= \left.\frac{d}{d\,x}\right|_{x=x_0}\,L_g(x).v = J_{x_0}(L_g)(v)=J(L_g)(x_0;v)
$$
can be viewed as
  1. first derivative ##L'_g : x \longmapsto \alpha(x)##
  2. differential ##dL_g = \alpha_x \cdot d x##
  3. linear approximation of ##L_g## by ##L_g(x_0+\varepsilon)=L_g(x_0)+J_{x_0}(L_g)\cdot \varepsilon +O(\varepsilon^2) ##
  4. linear mapping (Jacobi matrix) ##J_{x}(L_g) : v \longmapsto \alpha_{x} \cdot v##
  5. vector (tangent) bundle ##(p,\alpha_{p}\;d x) \in (D\times \mathbb{R},\mathbb{R},\pi)##
  6. ##1-##form (Pfaffian form) ##\omega_{p} : v \longmapsto \langle \alpha_{p} , v \rangle ##
  7. cotangent bundle ##(p,\omega_p) \in (D,T^*D,\pi^*)##
  8. section of ##(D\times \mathbb{R},\mathbb{R},\pi)\, : \,\sigma \in \Gamma(D,TD)=\Gamma(D) : p \longmapsto \alpha_{p}##
  9. If ##f,g : D \mapsto \mathbb{R}## are smooth functions, then $$D_xL_y (f\cdot g) = \alpha_x (f\cdot g)' = \alpha_x (f'\cdot g + f \cdot g') = D_xL_y(f)\cdot g + f \cdot D_xL_y(g)$$ and ##D_xL_y## is a derivation on ##C^\infty(\mathbb{R})##.
  10. ##L_x^*(\alpha_y)=\alpha_{xy}## is the pullback section of ##\sigma: p \longmapsto \alpha_p## by ##L_x##.
The question about the dimension is a bit tricky. As long as we consider a single derivative, it is a directional differential, in which direction ever. But - as in the examples above - the entire tangent bundle is often considered, and we get
$$
d\, f = \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i}\,dx_i
$$
and then we have ##n## fractions in ##n## directions, which are reduced to a scalar, the component of the corresponding tangent vector. The fraction is o.k. as long as we consider the whole thing as a slope. If we start using it as a real quotient and calculate with it, we have to keep in mind, that it is merely an abbreviation. If it helps to find a solution, fine, but we should check the answer and especially be careful if we'll deal with functions, that are not smooth.
Perfect.
Thank you.
 

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