Spring deflection load calculation for excavator

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The discussion revolves around calculating the load on a helical coil compression spring in a hydraulic cylinder system for an excavator's boom. The problem involves determining the spring loads at two different boom positions based on given forces and mechanical properties.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of spring loads at different boom positions and question the role of gravity and the direction of forces involved. There are attempts to clarify the nature of the shovel force and its constancy, as well as the implications of the maximum and minimum load definitions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding gravity and the forces acting on the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of forces, but no consensus has been reached on the definitions or calculations presented.

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There are indications of missing information, particularly regarding the weight of the boom and the specifics of the forces acting on the system. The relationship between the hydraulic cylinder force and the spring loads is also under scrutiny.

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1. A hydraulic cylinder equipped with a helical coil compression spring(figure is attached). The oil pressure acts the spring and moves the boom from position 1 to position 2.

Maximum boom load in position 1 F1max= 16550N
Minimum boom load in position 2 F2min = 18550N

cylinder load Fcyl=19000N
Elastic modulus E= 206000N/mm^2
shear modulus G=80000N/mm^2

1)determine the springs Load Fs1 and Fs2 for the different boom positions.

Homework Equations



F=C/S C= spring constant, s= deflection of the spring

The Attempt at a Solution


Springs load Fs1 for the positions 1 Fs1=Fcylsin60° =16454.48N
spring load Fs2 for the position 2 Fs2 = Fclycos60°=9500N
 

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What is the direction of gravity in this problem? Is it a factor? If so, do you have the weight of the boom? Is the shovel force constant in direction, fixed relative to the boom, or what? We seem to be missing some information here.
 
yes, shovel force is constant. All descriptions can be found in the figures which I uploaded.
 
robax25 said:
yes, shovel force is constant. All descriptions can be found in the figures which I uploaded.

So the shovel force is constant in both magnitude and absolute direction, or constant in magnitude and constant in relative direction?

I saw no gravity vector, so does that mean that gravity, and consequently weight, is not a factor?
 
gravity is included. when it moves from neutral position it needs 19000 N force which is provided by hydraulic cylinder. In this case structure weight is neglected but shovel force has to be considered. from neutral position to position 1 is 30 degree and in this position shovel can take 16550N force(maximum) and when it moves back 30° from neutral position, it has minimum force 18550N.
 
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robax25 said:
The oil pressure acts the spring and moves the boom from position 1 to position 2.
The oil pressure acting on the plate would move it from position 2 to position 1.

I don't understand how the oil pressure (Fcyl*area) can be constant. From an equilibrium state, it must increase to push on the plate.

I'm not sure in what sense the load forces are a max and a min. Max and min wrt what? Certainly not in respect of each other, since the min is greater than the max. Maybe just ignore those qualifiers and say those are the load forces at the two positions.
On that basis, and trusting the "constant Fcyl" statement, what is the corresponding spring force at each position?
 

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