Spring energy to kinetic energy

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of spring potential energy to kinetic energy in a scenario involving a box launched by a compressed spring. The spring constant is provided, along with the mass of the box and the coefficient of kinetic friction for a rough surface that the box encounters after being launched.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between spring potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning the calculations of kinetic energy and the assumptions regarding energy conversion. Some participants express confusion about the necessity of calculating velocity before determining kinetic energy.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, examining calculations and questioning the validity of the results. There is a recognition of potential errors in the calculations, particularly regarding the magnitude of kinetic energy. Some guidance is provided regarding the correct application of formulas, but no consensus has been reached on the resolution of the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding energy conversion and the calculations involved, with some participants noting discrepancies in the expected values of kinetic energy.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal spring with spring constant 92.2 N/m is compressed 15.5 cm and used to launch a 2.93 kg box across a frictionless, horizontal surface. After the box travels some distance, the surface becomes rough. The coefficient of kinetic friction of the box on the surface is 0.121. How far does the box slide across the rough surface before stopping?


Homework Equations


KE=1/2mv^2
Usp=1/2kx^2
Work-energy theorem

The Attempt at a Solution


The Kinetic energy gained by the box should be equal to the potential energy stored in the spring, so 1/2kx^2=1/2mv^2, substituting all values in, I isolated for the velocity, which gave me v=2.209 m/s. This is the launch velocity once the box leaves the spring.
Since it is a frictionless surface, this speed would be maintained (and becomes v0) when the box encounters the rough patch.
The work done by friction on the rough patch should thus be equal to the initial kinetic energy of the box. i.e. with speed 2.209 m/s, KEi = 7.15 J, and W by friction= Friction * d.
Using the coefficient of kinetic friction and the normal force, kinetic friction is 3.47 N, which gave me a d (how far the box traveled before coming to a stop) to be 2.06 m, which was wrong.
Where am I going wrong?
 
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Something's fishy with your numbers. Can you show your calculation for the KE of the launched box?
 
KE=Spring Potential energy
1/2mv^2=1/2 kx^2. I used this to find vf, which i then used to find KE.
so KE=1/2*2.93*2.209^2= 7.15 J.
This should be the initial KE of the box when it encounters the rough patch. Therefore, due to conservation, KEi=KEf + W done by friction. Since the final KE is 0 (box comes to rest), KEi=W
Since W= friction * d, 7.15=friction*d. I found the force of friction using the coefficient*m*g= 3.47. Therefore d=7.15/3.47=2.06m, which is wrong.
 
shrutij said:
KE=Spring Potential energy
1/2mv^2=1/2 kx^2. I used this to find vf, which i then used to find KE.
so KE=1/2*2.93*2.209^2= 7.15 J.
:confused: I don't understand. If the potential energy (1/2)kx2 is equal to the kinetic energy, why calculate the velocity first and then convert back to kinetic energy? Also, something's gone wrong in your math along the way. The value you ended up with for KE looks way too big.
 
Am I right in assuming that all the spring potential energy should be converted into KE of the box?
 
shrutij said:
Am I right in assuming that all the spring potential energy should be converted into KE of the box?

Yes, of course.
 
Great, so going from that, 1/2kx^2=KE of the box.
This gives me the same answer I got before. 1/2*92.2*0.155 = 7.15 J.
I'm not sure what I'm missing in my calculations if this KE appears too big.
 
shrutij said:
Great, so going from that, 1/2kx^2=KE of the box.
This gives me the same answer I got before. 1/2*92.2*0.155 = 7.15 J.
I'm not sure what I'm missing in my calculations if this KE appears too big.

It's x squared not x to the first power.
 
Well, I feel silly...
i'll just be happy that atleast I understood the physics right. :)
thanks!
 

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