Springs and arches suspending a fabric

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the forces acting on a tarp suspended by springs and arches. Participants are trying to determine the necessary parameters for the springs, including spring constant (K) and displacements (X1, X2), while considering the weight of the tarp and the effects of snow accumulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • The tarp weighs 750 lbs and dimensions are 60 ft by 20 ft, with snow accumulation contributing an additional 25 lb/ft².
  • Participants are attempting to calculate the forces acting on the springs and arches, using the equations F=mg and F=K(X1-X2).
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations, stating that their results seem incorrect.
  • There is a request for clarification on the relationship between the problem statement and a provided figure, indicating confusion about the modeling approach.
  • Another participant suggests that a diagram of the design would be beneficial for understanding the problem better.

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Participants express confusion regarding the problem statement and the modeling approach. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or solution to the problem, and multiple viewpoints on the clarity of the problem exist.

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Participants have not reached a resolution regarding the modeling of the tarp and the forces involved. The discussion includes uncertainties about the appropriateness of the beam model and the need for visual aids to clarify the setup.

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Homework Statement



The distance from the spring attachment to the arch in 9 feet.
The distance from the arch to the arch is 20 feet.
There are three arches. So, End plate-spring to arch to arch to arch to spring-end plate.

The tarp weights 750 lbs and is 60 ft by 20 ft.
There are 20 springs attached to the end plates (north and south) and 60 springs on the base (east and west).
Snow can accumulate at a value of 25 lb/ft^2.

What are all the forces and the parameters needed to define the springs (K, X1, and X2).

Homework Equations



F=mg
F=K(X1-X2)

The Attempt at a Solution



F=32.2(750)=24150
Modeling just from the arch to the spring as a single string/rope->
24150/60=402.5 lb/ft
Spring is Ra and arch is Rb, F is mg of tarp
Ra+Rb=F
402.5*9/2=1811.25 = Ra=Rb

So, 1811.25=K(X1-X2)

This just seems bad wrong

I really want to find out what my K value should be and I want the spring to be about 8 inches.
 

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Can anyone figure out the relationship between the problem statement and the figure? If not, I'm going to delete this thread.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Can anyone figure out the relationship between the problem statement and the figure? If not, I'm going to delete this thread.

Chet
The image is my attempt to model the problem as a beam (which I now think is a bad idea). The image shows the uniform force, Ra, and Rb.
 
Steven2012 said:
The image is my attempt to model the problem as a beam (which I now think is a bad idea). The image shows the uniform force, Ra, and Rb.
I still don't understand the problem statement. Maybe it's just me.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
I still don't understand the problem statement. Maybe it's just me.

Chet

Ok, well basically...
I'm trying to determine what spring to use to ensure the tarp remains tight, even during snow fall.

There are three arches supporting the tarp and all four ends are attached to springs. The north/south ends (20' length side) are attached in an arch shape and the east/west ends (60' length sides) are attached vertically to the base and the tarp.

Does that help?

I can draw the design I have right now- if that would help.
 
A good diagram would be very helpful. I'm still unable to picture it.

Chet
 

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