Sprinkle soil on the ice wall around driveway?

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The discussion revolves around the idea of using soil to aid in melting compacted snow and ice walls around a driveway. Participants explore the potential effectiveness and environmental implications of this approach, considering both physical principles and ecological concerns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that sprinkling soil on the ice walls could help melt them by absorbing heat from the sun, citing personal experience with similar conditions.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the environmental impact, arguing that such actions contribute to global warming.
  • Several participants agree that a thin layer of soil or similar materials (like soot or ash) could be effective, but caution against applying too much, which could insulate the ice instead of helping it melt.
  • There is a suggestion to use a sheet of clear polythene to create a greenhouse effect, although this idea is met with some skepticism regarding the necessity of an infrared absorber.
  • A later reply proposes that the soil itself could act as an infrared absorber, enhancing the effectiveness of the polythene cover.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of support and concern regarding the proposed method. While some believe it could be effective, others raise environmental issues and question the overall impact, indicating that multiple competing views remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the environmental implications of using soil, nor on the effectiveness of the proposed methods, leaving several assumptions and conditions unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in practical solutions for managing snow and ice, as well as those concerned about environmental impacts of such methods.

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I have 5 feet of compacted snow/ice walls hugging my driveway. A crazy thought went through my mind that I have extra bags of soil in my garage that are nearly black. I thought maybe I could melt the ice walls down and not hurt my lawn or driveway if I sprinkled that soil on the walls when it's sunny. Cool idea or a bad idea?
 
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Yes, it will help. Not crazy, just physics. I live up north, in the land of unsalted roads. In sunny weather, road ice melts next to the clear areas, but does not melt where it is too thick for the sun to get through to the black pavement. Sprinkle on a very thin layer, just enough to absorb the heat.

And the Wisconsin DNR thanks you for being environmentally conscious and not using salt, even if you are causing global warming: https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/newsroom/... shown a,impaired by high salt concentrations.
 
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Yes, it should help. Soil, soot, ash from the fireplace, they all help in similar way.
 
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As said, thin or thinner layer.
too much and one gets insulation for the ice/snow.
 
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Maybe a sheet of clear polythene over the top, to get some local greenhouse effect.
 
Baluncore said:
Maybe a sheet of clear polythene over the top, to get some local greenhouse effect.
I think greenhouses require an infra red absorber inside in order to work.
 
tech99 said:
I think greenhouses require an infra red absorber inside in order to work.
While I think, your 'IR absorber', (a wavelength converter to IR), would be the soil that was first sprinkled onto the surface. The clear film reduces the loss of half the IR, before the IR can melt the snow.
 

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