Problem in central force motion

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The problem involves a particle moving in a circular path under the influence of a force that follows an inverse cube law. The original poster seeks to understand the conditions under which the particle can maintain uniform radial velocity and how to express the angle theta as a function of the radial distance r.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the effective potential related to the angular momentum and the inverse cube law force, questioning the role of effective potential in defining motion. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between radial force and effective potential.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the effective potential and its implications for motion. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the radial force and effective potential, while others attempt to clarify these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of integrating angular motion into a one-dimensional effective problem, which introduces complexities regarding the angular momentum barrier and its effect on radial motion. The original poster acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the relationship between uniform radial motion and the forces involved.

Vashist Settipalli

Homework Statement


a particle moves in a circle under the influence of an inverse cube law force. Show that the particle can also move with uniform radial velocity,either in or out.
Find theta as a function of r for motion with uniform radial velocity.[/B]

Homework Equations


f=-2A/r^3[/B]
ueff=l^2/2mr^2

The Attempt at a Solution


i found the effective potential but could not reach any conclusion though through that.
the solution states that if the effective potential becomes 0,the radial motion becomes uniform.
i don't get this
please help.
 
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You did not find the effective potential. The expression
Vashist Settipalli said:
ueff=l^2/2mr^2
only contains the angular momentum part of the effective potential. What happened to the potential of the inverse cube law force?

If the effective potential in the radial coordinate is a constant, then the equation of motion for the radial coordinate will become ##m\ddot r = - U_{\rm eff}'(r) = 0##.
 
Orodruin said:
You did not find the effective potential. The expression

only contains the angular momentum part of the effective potential. What happened to the potential of the inverse cube law force?

If the effective potential in the radial coordinate is a constant, then the equation of motion for the radial coordinate will become ##m\ddot r = - U_{\rm eff}'(r) = 0##.

the equations i can take care of,hopefully.
I don't get why effective potential defines the motion since there is already a force in the radial direction.
TIA
 
Sorry, but it is not clear what you want to say. The force you are referring to is the radial force in three dimensions. You can rewrite this problem as an effective problem in one dimension by integrating out the angular motion. This introduces the angular momentum barrier into the effective potential for the one-dimensional radial motion, which therefore has a potential that relates both to the inverse cube law force and to the angular momentum barrier.
 
Orodruin said:
Sorry, but it is not clear what you want to say. The force you are referring to is the radial force in three dimensions. You can rewrite this problem as an effective problem in one dimension by integrating out the angular motion. This introduces the angular momentum barrier into the effective potential for the one-dimensional radial motion, which therefore has a potential that relates both to the inverse cube law force and to the angular momentum barrier.
Thank you very much.
I forgot that we were trying to change mtion in 3d to 1d and kept pondering over the fact that if the radial motion is uniform,then the given 3d force should become 0(silly me).
Anyways thank you very much.
you made my day
 

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