Starting velocity of a electron

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The discussion revolves around calculating the starting velocity of electrons emitted from a cathode in cathode ray tube experiments. Participants explore the relationship between cathode temperature, work function, and the resulting electron velocities, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of thermionic emission.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jon seeks to understand how to calculate the starting velocity of electrons emitted from a cathode and questions whether this velocity varies with cathode temperature.
  • Some participants suggest that the final velocity can be controlled by the accelerating potential, while the cathode temperature influences the number of emitted electrons.
  • Bob presents a formula for electron velocity that incorporates the work function and voltage, but Jon questions the derivation of this equation and the meaning of the constants involved.
  • Bob explains that the kinetic energy of the emitted electrons is related to the applied voltage minus the work function, providing a non-relativistic equation for velocity.
  • Another participant, Zz, emphasizes that there is no single velocity for emitted electrons due to the distribution of energy and velocity resulting from thermionic emission, referencing a specific energy distribution model.
  • Questions arise about the effects of exceeding the work function voltage on the number of emitted electrons and their energy distribution.

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Participants express differing views on the calculation of starting velocity and the implications of work function and temperature on electron emission. There is no consensus on a single method for determining starting velocity, and multiple models and interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of thermionic emission, including the dependence on various factors such as work function, temperature, and energy distribution, which are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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Hello, I am conducting some cathode ray tube experiments and I need to know how to calculate the starting velocity of an electron when it is emitted from a cathode. Does anyone know how to do this? Will the electron starting traveling velocity vary depending on the heat of the cathode? I know as you heat the cathode up more electrons are liberated and hence emitted.


I thank you in advance


Jon
 
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Hi

The final velocity of the electron can be controlled by controlling the accelerating potential. The cathode temperature will determine the no: of electron/intensity of the beam.

I am not sure about calculating the starting velocity of electron but if you equate the energy required to heat up the cathode to the Kinetic Energy of the electron emitted due to thermionic emission, may be you can get the value.

Everybody: Please correct me if required.
 
The energy (and velocity) of the electron is reduced by the work function W (~4 volts) of the filament (probably tungsten):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_function

So the electron velocity is given by

v = [2(V-W)/511,000]½·c

where V is the voltage (potential) relative to the filament at any given location, and c is the velocity of light. There is a very small energy spread, due in part to the thermal spread in the thermionic emission energy, and Coulomb forces within the electron beam. See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermionic_emission

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
The energy (and velocity) of the electron is reduced by the work function W (~4 volts) of the filament (probably tungsten):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_function

So the electron velocity is given by

v = [2(V-W)/511,000]½·c
Bob S

Hi Bob where is this equation derived from? I can't find what equation your re-arranged to get that?

511000 eV is the electrons energy at rest ?

Kind RegardsJon
 
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jonlg_uk said:
Hi Bob where is this equation derived from? I can't find what equation your re-arranged to get that?

511000 eV is the electrons energy at rest ?
Hi Jon-

The kinetic energy of the electron is the applied voltage potential V (equivalent to electric field E times distance x) minus the filament work function W. So, using energy in electron-volt (eV) units,

V-W = ½mv2 (non-relativistic form)

where m is electron mass and v = electron velocity. Multiplying and dividing by c, the velocity of light, we get

V - W = ½·mc2·v2/c2

using the electron mass in eV units as mc2 = 511,000 eV

we get V - W = ½·511,000 eV·v2/c2

et cetera

Bob S
 
Hi Bob thanks for the clarification on that. Just to cure my curiosity. How do you arrive at the fact that V-W = ½mv2 ?
 
Read about work function at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_function

The electrons have to be pulled out of a potential well to leave the hot cathode. The depth of this potential well varies from one element to another. See picture and table in above URL. This reduces the effective voltage (kinetic energy) of the accelerated electrons by a voltage W (in eV).

Bob S
 
Just one last question, if I was to exceed the work function voltage for tungsten, say I took it upto 10V. Would I get more emitted electrons but all with the same energy (all be it with a little spread)?
 
I don't know if people are simply missing pertinent information here, or this has been simplified way too much.

Hello, I am conducting some cathode ray tube experiments and I need to know how to calculate the starting velocity of an electron when it is emitted from a cathode. Does anyone know how to do this? Will the electron starting traveling velocity vary depending on the heat of the cathode? I know as you heat the cathode up more electrons are liberated and hence emitted.

There is no one single velocity emitted via thermionic emission. It is a distribution of energy and thus, velocity. See, for example, Fig. 3 in R.D. Young, Phys. Rev. v.113, p.110 (1959). The energy distribution has a form of Eq. 28, with a spread of roughly 2.45 kT, with the peak at kT.

So your starting velocity has a spread in values!

Zz.
 

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