Static displacement of a spring

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The discussion revolves around determining the static displacement of a spring in response to a maximum applied force, framed within the context of the equation of motion ##m\ddot{x} + kx = F(t)##. The original poster seeks clarification on how to approach this problem, particularly in relation to Hooke's law.

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  • Participants explore the implications of a time-dependent force in a static scenario, questioning the consistency of the terms used. There is discussion about interpreting the maximum force and its application in Hooke's law to find static displacement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's question, offering interpretations and raising points about the formulation of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of Hooke's law and the conditions for static equilibrium, though no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the problem.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the definition of static displacement in the presence of a time-dependent force, as well as the need for clarity in the problem statement itself. Participants are also considering the nature of the maximum force and its directionality.

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Homework Statement


How would I find the static displacement of a spring due to maximum applied force? I asking this for arbitrary equation say ##m\ddot{x} + kx = F(t)##.

Homework Equations


Hooke's law

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I don't know how one would do this. Would it be find the maximum force and then use Hooke's law?
 
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Do you have an actual problem in mind?
If it's "static" why do you have a time dependent force?
 
nasu said:
Do you have an actual problem in mind?
If it's "static" why do you have a time dependent force?

That is the type of equation of motion I have and the question is what is the static displacement due to the maximum force applied. I know ##k##, ##m##, and ##F(t)## but I looking for an explanation on how I would find this.
 
If the force depends on t, then x is not static ...
 
Orodruin said:
If the force depends on t, then x is not static ...

This is a second question form the other question you answered. That is the exact verbiage of the question and you saw the problem statement and ##x(t)## solution.
 
Dustinsfl said:
How would I find the static displacement of a spring due to maximum applied force?

I am pretty sure this is your interpretation of the problem due to how you phrased it, but it is not coming through so all I can offer is my interpretation of your interpretation, namely: What would be the static displacement if the force was constant and equal to the maximal value of F(t)?

Then yes, you would find the maximal value of F and plug it into Hooke's law due to force equilibrium at the static point. Alternatively, you would note that all time derivatives are zero for any static solution. Thus ##\ddot x=0## and you again get the same.
 
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Orodruin said:
I am pretty sure this is your interpretation of the problem due to how you phrased it, but it is not coming through so all I can offer is my interpretation of your interpretation, namely.

I can take a picture of the question so you can see it is identical. I just added the how would I find.
 
In that case, the only interpretation I can find that makes any sense is the one above. Some problem writers really need to learn to formulate better ...
 
Orodruin said:
In that case, the only interpretation I can find that makes any sense is the one above. Some problem writers really need to learn to formulate better ...

One more question, ##F_{\max} = \lvert F_{\max}\rvert##, correct? I think this must be the case since it is oscillating the max force could be in the reverse direction as well.
 
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Dustinsfl said:
I can take a picture of the question so you can see it is identical. I just added the how would I find.
Yes, this may be useful. Even if you reproduced verbatim part of the problem, you did not reproduce the text completely.
 

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