Static system + a second long distance force

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a pendulum bob that is electrically charged and placed in a uniform electric field. The forces acting on the bob include gravitational force and electric force, with the system being static. Participants are tasked with determining the charge on the bob based on the forces and angles involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the pendulum bob, including gravitational and electric forces, and expresses uncertainty about calculating tension in the rope. They also question how to apply trigonometric functions to resolve forces.
  • Some participants suggest taking components of forces to simplify the problem, indicating that tension may not need to be calculated directly.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of the angle and the components of the forces acting on the pendulum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to resolve the forces acting on the pendulum. Some guidance has been offered regarding taking components of forces, but there is no clear consensus on the next steps or the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses frustration with the problem and mentions a lack of recall regarding trigonometric applications, which may affect their ability to proceed. There is also an indication of confusion regarding the second long-distance force mentioned in the problem.

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Homework Statement



When an electrically charged object (a proton, an electron, a balloon after you’ve rubbed it
on your hair) is placed in an electric field, E , an electric force proportional to this field acts
on the object. Specifically,

F = qE

where q is the charge on the object and is in units called Coulombs (C).

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The figure shows a pendulum, the bob of which is charged. The ambient electric field is
uniform, directed toward the right, and has a magnitude of 2 × 10^5 N/C. The pendulum
hangs at an angle of 20 degrees as a result of the forces acting on it. What is the charge on the bob of the pendulum? The string can be considered of negligible mass and uncharged.

So:

(theta) = 20 degrees
E = 2 x 10^5 N/C
m = 5.0g (or 0.005kg)
a(g) (acceleration due to gravity) = -9.8m/s
F(e) (force of electric... thing) = ?
T(xy) (x and y component of tension in rope) = ?
F(net) (net force) = 0

Homework Equations



F = ma
F = qE
probably like four I can't remember

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that F(net) is zero, 'cause it's a static system. So:

F(net) = T(xy) - F(e) - F(g) = 0

The force of gravity is 0.049N (0.005kg*9.8m/s^2).

But I have no idea how to find the tension in the rope. If I could get it, the only thing left would be to solve for F(e) using the net force equation, and then rearrange the F(e) = qE equation to solve for q, but that's the easy part.

The second long-distance force is throwing me off. Also, I forget all of high school trig (it's been like, four years) and even then I'm not sure how I would apply it. cos(theta)*T(xy) = T(y), sin(theta)*T(xy) = T(x) (which, I'm kind of grabbing at straws here, so I give myself a 50/50 chance on being right). So what - I can't see a way for me to get or apply either of those. I'm stuck. :<

Thanks for reading.

EDIT: Is the magnitude of T(x) just the same as F(g)? If it is I'm going to be mad, 'cause this took way too long. :'(
 
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imzkris said:
The ambient electric field is
uniform, directed toward the right, and has a magnitude of 2 × 10^5 N/C. The pendulum
hangs at an angle of 20 degrees as a result of the forces acting on it. What is the charge on the bob of the pendulum?

Hi imzkris! Welcome to PF! :smile:

You could find T by taking vertical components …

but you don't need to find T …

when there's an unknown force in a known direction, like T, just take components perpendicular to that unknown force. :wink:
 
I'm... not following. :shy:
 
ok … the tension force, T, is along the string, at 20º to the vertical.

So take components perpendicular to that (at 20º to the horizontal).

Then the component of T in that direction will be Tcos90º = 0,

and the components of the other forces are … ? :smile:
 

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