Statics: finding forces in frame

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The discussion revolves around a statics problem involving a frame with a piston, where participants are attempting to find the forces acting on various components of the structure. The focus is on the calculations related to moments and forces in the frame, particularly concerning the piston's effect on the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series of calculations to determine the force in piston CD, summing moments at different points in the frame.
  • Another participant questions how member ACB can account for the 2500 lb weight in the calculations.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier calculations, realizing they had counted the 2500 lb force twice, which led to an incorrect result.
  • The same participant notes that correcting this mistake allowed them to arrive at the book's answer.

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There is no explicit consensus on the initial calculations, but one participant resolves their confusion and agrees with the book's answer after correcting their mistake. Other participants have not yet provided further input on the correctness of the calculations.

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The discussion highlights potential confusion regarding the application of forces and moments in the frame, particularly the treatment of the 2500 lb force. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Students and individuals studying statics or structural analysis may find this discussion relevant, particularly those working on similar homework problems involving forces in frames.

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Homework Statement


When the piston CD is lowered, ACB and CBE are horizontal, and they ask for the force in piston CD.

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So first we look at the entire frame ACDBE, and we sum moments at A:
-(14)(2500) + 24E(suby) = 0; E(suby) = 1458
Then A(suby) is 1041 since they both total 2500
A(subx) = 0 since no horiz forces; E(subx) = 0 since it is a roller.
So far so good.
Now we dismember and end up with 2 legs: CBE, and ACB. We don't know the force at B, and we are looking for the value of C, but we have 2 equations and 2 unknowns, so this should be solvable.
On the bottom leg, we sum moments about A:
4C -14(2500)-18B=0 (assume B is downward)
On the top leg, we sum moments about E:
-6B + 10(2500) - 20C=0 (assume B is opposite and therefore up)
We multiply the top equation by 5 so the C values cancel; top equation becomes
20C-175,000-90B=0
We're left with B= -1562
Which yields a value of 103 for C. The book's answer is 1339 for C.
Point me in the right direction please. Is this an error in logic, math, or something else? Thank you in advance :^)

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SoylentBlue said:
On the bottom leg, we sum moments about A:
4C -14(2500)-18B=0 (assume B is downward)
How is member ACB 'aware' of the 2500lb weight?
 
Thank you thank you thank you...it was such a D'Oh mistake:oops:, but I just couldn't see that I was counting the 2500LB force twice! When I took the 2500LB force away from the bottom arm, the problem almost solved itself, and I got the same answer as the book gives.
 
SoylentBlue said:
Thank you thank you thank you...it was such a D'Oh mistake:oops:, but I just couldn't see that I was counting the 2500LB force twice! When I took the 2500LB force away from the bottom arm, the problem almost solved itself, and I got the same answer as the book gives.
Glad to hear it.
 

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