Working out support reaction of a frame - Statics

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the horizontal reaction force at point B (Bx) in a frame structure, utilizing equilibrium equations. Participants explore the application of these equations in the context of statics, addressing challenges encountered in the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the equilibrium equations and attempts to solve for Bx, noting that Bx seems to cancel out during calculations.
  • Another participant later claims to have resolved the issue, stating that Bx can be determined as -57 kN by recognizing that Bx does not need to be included when taking moments about point C.
  • A different participant emphasizes that By also produces a moment about point C, suggesting that the analysis of forces and moments requires careful consideration of all forces involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the calculation of Bx, as one participant believes they have found a solution while another raises a point about the contributions of forces to moments. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the inclusion of certain forces in their moment calculations, indicating potential limitations in their assumptions or understanding of the problem setup.

Kasthuri
Messages
17
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



For the frame shown (see attached picture) , work out the horizontal reaction at B (ie find Bx)

Homework Equations



EQUILIBRIUM EQUATIONS:

sum of moment = 0 (CCW is positive)
sum of vertical forces = 0 (up is positive)
sum of horizontal forces = 0 (left to right is positive)

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought this was easy but for some reason everytime I equate the forces, Bx gets canceled out.

[sum of moments at A = 0];
-38(0.6) + By(0.3) = 0
By = 76 kN

[sum of moments at B = 0];
-Ay(0.3) + 38(0.6) = 0
Ay = 76 kN

[sum of moments at D = 0];
Ax(0.6) + Bx(0.6) + By(0.3) = 0 (***)

[sum of moments at C = 0];
(-38)(0.2) + Ax(0.4) + Bx(0.4) = 0

so, Ax = 19 - Bx

substitute Ax = 19 - Bx in (***) :
(19 - Bx)(0.6) + Bx(0.6) + By(0.3) = 0

but By = 76 kN so:

(19 - Bx)(0.6) + Bx(0.6) + 76(0.3) = 0

BUT Bx just cancels out??

I have no clue how to approach this question any other way
Any help/guidance would be great!
Thanks!

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 

Attachments

  • frame.JPG
    frame.JPG
    5.1 KB · Views: 690
Physics news on Phys.org
I got it :)
I realized that when taking the moment about C, the force Bx does not need to included.
So Bx = -57 kN
 
Kasthuri said:

Homework Statement



For the frame shown (see attached picture) , work out the horizontal reaction at B (ie find Bx)


Homework Equations



EQUILIBRIUM EQUATIONS:

sum of moment = 0 (CCW is positive)
sum of vertical forces = 0 (up is positive)
sum of horizontal forces = 0 (left to right is positive)

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought this was easy but for some reason everytime I equate the forces, Bx gets canceled out.

[sum of moments at A = 0];
-38(0.6) + By(0.3) = 0
By = 76 kN

[sum of moments at B = 0];
-Ay(0.3) + 38(0.6) = 0
Ay = 76 kN

[sum of moments at D = 0];
Ax(0.6) + Bx(0.6) + By(0.3) = 0 (***)

[sum of moments at C = 0];
(-38)(0.2) + Ax(0.4) + Bx(0.4) = 0
NO. By produces a moment also.


Kasthuri said:
I got it :)
I realized that when taking the moment about C, the force Bx does not need to included.
So Bx = -57 kN
What you mean to say is that since member BC is a 2-force member with the force BC directed along the axis, then the force BC produces no moment about C.
 
Thanks for that PhanthomJay! :) My exam is very very soon and I'm glad you cleared that up for me.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
7K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
9K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K