Statics Problem: Solve for Magnitude of QR & PR

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The discussion revolves around a statics problem involving the forces QR and PR, with a focus on analyzing the components of these forces in relation to a 250 N force. Participants are attempting to understand how to relate angles and force components to solve for the magnitudes of QR and PR.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for analyzing the problem, including drawing force diagrams and considering the components of the forces involved. Some express confusion about how to relate the angles to the forces, while others suggest using right triangles formed by the components of the forces.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem. Some participants have shared their calculations and reasoning, while others have questioned the correctness of these methods. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the relationships between the forces and angles involved.

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Some participants note that the problem is situated in a chapter focused on vectors and their components, prior to the introduction of moments, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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I am pretty lost where to start... no relationship pops out at me to help in finding the components of the PR and QR to find the magnitude of QR and PR. I know lots of angles, but don't see how I can quite relate them to the 250 N force. If anyone could help me pointed in the right direction, it would be appreciated.
 

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Find the torques (Moments) from the points where the rods attach to the wall.
Draw in the forces and directions acting on the rods where they meet the wall.
 
Is there another way? This problem is in the chapter before moments and such are discussed. This chapter just deals with vectors and their components.
 
CoasterGT said:
Is there another way? This problem is in the chapter before moments and such are discussed. This chapter just deals with vectors and their components.

Dealing with PR first... draw the component of the 250N force along PR, and perpendicular to PR... you have a right triangle formed by these 2 componenets and the 250N force... analyze that right triangle... do you see how to use the angles given?
 
Alright, so for PR, I took 250/sqrt(2) to get approx 177 since I formed a 45-45-90 triangle.

Then, to solve for QR, I took 177/sqrt(2) = 125 to get the bottom of a new triangle I made, with QR as the hypotenuse. Then took 125/cos(70) to get the value of 365.5 N for QR.

Is what I did correct?
 
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CoasterGT said:
Alright, so for PR, I took 250/sqrt(2) to get approx 177 since I formed a 45-45-90 triangle.

Then, to solve for QR, I took 177/sqrt(2) = 125 to get the bottom of a new triangle I made, with QR as the hypotenuse. Then took 125/cos(70) to get the value of 365.5 N for QR.

Is what I did correct?

The part of PR looks correct. But the QR part doesn't. Do exactly the same thing you did with the PR part... the only thing that is different is the angle.

draw the component of the 250N force along QR, and perpendicular to QR... you have a right triangle formed by these 2 componenets and the 250N force... analyze that right triangle...
 
I started off with the knowledge that the vertical components of PR and QR had to equal 250.

So from that, I planned on drawing a vector diagram where this was reflected. I flipped PR vertically, and then joined it onto the bottom of QR to make a triangle, with a vertical side on the right of magnitude 250.

Then I worked out interior angles, and used the sine rule.

My answers were:
QR = 195N
PR = 94N
 
Ah, after reading BlackWyvern's post I see I was completely wrong. CoasterGT, disregard my previous comments.

So a force acting along PR added to a force acting along QR must add to 250N acting downwards... I'm getting different numbers though.
 

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