Stationary waves - why same amplitude etc?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of stationary waves, specifically focusing on the conditions required for their formation, such as the necessity for equal amplitude and frequency of the superimposing waves. Participants are exploring the implications of these conditions and the concept of nodes in stationary waves.

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  • The original poster questions the significance of equal amplitude in stationary waves and its relation to nodes of zero displacement. They also inquire about the possibility of waves with different frequencies being in antiphase.
  • Some participants provide mathematical expressions for wave superposition and discuss the implications of differing frequencies on the formation of stationary waves.
  • Others express a need for simpler explanations or equations, indicating a gap in their current understanding of the mathematical concepts involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions and seeking clarification on the concepts of amplitude and frequency in stationary waves. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical relationships, but there is no consensus on the explanations provided, and further exploration of the topic appears necessary.

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Participants have noted that some foundational mathematical concepts, such as trigonometry, are not yet covered by all members, which may affect their ability to engage fully with the discussion.

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Hi,
In my textbook, it says that waves superposing to form stationary waves, in addition to being in opposite directions, should have the same frequency and ideally the same amplitude - why the 'ideally' and why is having the same amplitude important? Is it because then we don't get nodes of zero displacement? If so, why is that?
Further, it also says that because they have the same frequency, at certain points they are in antiphase; can't two waves of different frequencies be in antiphase at a point though?
Thanks :)

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MBBphys said:

Homework Statement


Hi,
In my textbook, it says that waves superposing to form stationary waves, in addition to being in opposite directions, should have the same frequency and ideally the same amplitude - why the 'ideally' and why is having the same amplitude important? Is it because then we don't get nodes of zero displacement? If so, why is that?
Further, it also says that because they have the same frequency, at certain points they are in antiphase; can't two waves of different frequencies be in antiphase at a point though?
Thanks :)
The form of two waves traveling in opposite directions in a medium are y1=A1sin(k1x-ω1t) and y2=A2sin(k2x+ω2t). The displacements add up: Y=y1+y2. It can happen that Y is zero at a certain place and time, but that point does not stay stationary if the frequencies are different. It is not a standing wave where the nodes are stationary. Assume equal frequencies and wavelengths, Y=A1sin(kx-ω1t) +A2sin(kx+ωt). Apply the addition law for the sines: sin(kx±ωt) = sin(kx)cos(ωt)±cos(kx)sin(ωt). What do you get for the resultant Y?
 
ehild said:
The form of two waves traveling in opposite directions in a medium are y1=A1sin(k1x-ω1t) and y2=A2sin(k2x+ω2t). The displacements add up: Y=y1+y2. It can happen that Y is zero at a certain place and time, but that point does not stay stationary if the frequencies are different. It is not a standing wave where the nodes are stationary. Assume equal frequencies and wavelengths, Y=A1sin(kx-ω1t) +A2sin(kx+ωt). Apply the addition law for the sines: sin(kx±ωt) = sin(kx)cos(ωt)±cos(kx)sin(ωt). What do you get for the resultant Y?
Appreciate your help, but I haven't covered the equations and math you use at AS Level in the UK yet; perhaps a simpler equation? Thanks :)
 
MBBphys said:
Appreciate your help, but I haven't covered the equations and math you use at AS Level in the UK yet; perhaps a simpler equation? Thanks :)
You need to know basic Trigonometry to understand waves. Hopefully, you will learn it soon. You do not get stationary nodes if the amplitudes are not equal.
 

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