Steady state boundary conditions between metal/dielectric?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the boundary conditions for electric fields, potentials, and currents at the interface between a metal and a dielectric medium in steady-state conditions. Participants explore theoretical aspects, specific cases involving perfect and non-perfect conductors, and the implications of these conditions on electric displacement and surface charge.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the boundary conditions for electric fields, potentials, and currents at the interface between conductors and dielectrics, specifically questioning how to determine surface charge in perfect conductors.
  • Another participant asserts that the tangent components of the electric field are continuous at an interface, along with the normal component of the electric displacement, referencing Maxwell's equations.
  • A participant raises a concern about the applicability of boundary conditions in one-dimensional problems, particularly regarding the definition of electric displacement in the metal side.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between perfect and non-perfect conductors, with one participant noting that perfect conductors are idealizations and questioning the implications for surface charge.
  • Questions are raised about the continuity of potential at the boundary and whether there are exceptions to this rule.
  • Another participant mentions that even in cases where charge is applied to an interface, the electric displacement remains continuous, highlighting the complexities of real-world applications versus idealized models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of boundary conditions in steady-state versus electrostatic scenarios, and there is no consensus on how to define electric displacement in metals or the implications of surface charge in perfect versus non-perfect conductors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of how to apply boundary conditions in specific scenarios, particularly in one-dimensional cases and the implications of ideal versus real materials.

Dor
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There are few thing I'm not sure of and be happy for clarifications.
In general: at steady state, what are the electric-field,potential, and current boundary conditions between a conductor and a dielectric medium?
more specific:
a) When dealing with a perfect conductor there exist a surface charge. How can I find this surface charge? And if I can't, how can I use ##\hat {\mathbf n}\cdot(D_m-D_d)=\rho_s## as a boundary condition if I don't know this ##\rho_s##?
(##D_m,D_d## are the electric displacement at the metal and dielectric medium, respectively)
* The same question holds for current density.

b) What is the difference between perfect conductor and non-perfect conductor? Why at the former there exist a surface charge but in the case of a non-perfect conductor this surface charge is zero?

c) My understanding is that at steady state, the electric field is not zero at the metal thus the electric field boundary is ##\varepsilon_m *E_m=\varepsilon_d*E_d## but then, what is the meaning of the dielectric constant of the metal ##\varepsilon_m##?

d) Is the potential at the boundary always continuous or there are cases when they are not?

e) And finally, what is the boundary conditions for the currents (tangential and normal)
 
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Most of your questions reduce to the the tangent components of the E field are continuous even at an interface, the normal component of the D is continuous even at an interface, like are the tangent components of H and the normal B. Continuity of charge and current follow from Maxwell's equations and the above continuity requirements.
 
So, in the case of steady-state, the boundary conditions are the same as in electrostatic?
My issue with the tangent component arises when looking at a one-dimensional problem. In this case, I can only "work" with the normal component.
A second issue is with the displacement (D)? If D is continuous how do I define D in the metal side?
 
Dor said:
So, in the case of steady-state, the boundary conditions are the same as in electrostatic?

Well, in the limit anything is truly static. Any real device being modeled as static came into being and will be discarded in the fullness of time. Maxwell's equations remain valid for all cases. For example if I glue plexiglass to granite and apply a 100 volts across the stack, D will be continuous since there are no free charges to accumulate on the interface. On the other hand I could imagine painting on some coulombs of charge on the plexiglass prior to gluing. Even in this case D would still be continuous on the boundary (there would be a zero crossing in D).

Dor said:
A second issue is with the displacement (D)? If D is continuous how do I define D in the metal side?

As the name implies, a perfect conductor is perfect and therefore an idealization. Normal metals have a finite resistivity and so D is continuous and ##\epsilon## for metals while big is not infinite.
 

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