Steam, Piston-cylinder system polytropic

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a polytropic process in a piston-cylinder assembly containing steam. Participants are tasked with calculating the work done during the process and the final specific volume, given specific initial and final states of the steam, along with heat transfer details.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the work done using the equation W = Q - dU, arriving at a value of 104.4 BTU.
  • Another participant suggests that determining the final state requires referencing steam tables to match the internal energy and polytropic exponent, indicating the final state may be a mixture of saturated gas and liquid.
  • A participant questions the assumption that PV2 is constant and whether the volume should increase, suggesting that condensation may not occur.
  • Another participant proposes using the relationship between U, P, and V to derive final pressure and volume, but later retracts this suggestion, acknowledging the complexity of real gas behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding the final state of the steam, with some suggesting it may be a mixture while others argue against the likelihood of condensation. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of assuming constant relationships for real gases and the necessity of using steam tables for accurate values. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the behavior of the steam during the polytropic process.

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Homework Statement


Steam in a piston-cylinder assembly undergoes a polytropic process, with n = 2. The initial state is p1 = 500lbf/in^2, v1 = 1.701 ft^3/lbm and u1 = 1363.3 BTU/lbm. IN the final state, u2 = 990,58 BTU/lbm. During the process, there is heat transfer from the steam of magnitude 342.9 BTU. THe mass of the steam is 1.2 lbm. Neglecting changes in kinetic and potential energies, calculate the work of the process, in BTU, and the final specific volume in ft^3/lbm.


Homework Equations


W=Q-dU

The Attempt at a Solution



So far all I can do is answer the first part of the question:
W = -342.9 BTU - m(u2-u1)
W = 104.4
 
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Hi Ready. This looks a bit tricky. I don't know of any way to directly calculate this. The only way I can do this is to pull values from the steam tables such that they match the requirements for final internal energy and polytropic exponent. When I do that, I can find the final state. Note that the final state will be saturated (ie: a mixture of saturated gas and liquid).

VOF = 0.853, P=100 psia, T=327.7 F
 
I'm wondering if we can take the first sentence at face value, that PV2 is constant? And not worry about whether there is a mixture of liquid and vapor ...

EDIT:
Q_Goest, shouldn't the volume increase? It may not condense into liquid after all.
 
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Okay, I've got a solution that says the steam does not condense (checked it with a steam table).

Hint: what does U tell us about the product P*V? Use that, and the P*V2 relation, to get a solution for Pfinal and Vfinal.

EDIT:

I'll have to retract this suggestion. I was thinking that P*V/U should be a constant, but we can't simply assume that for a real gas.

Q_Goest's suggestion to use steam tables looks like the right approach.
 
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