Stress Strain Curve: Explaining Beyond UTS

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of materials in terms of stress and strain beyond the ultimate tensile stress (UTS). Participants are exploring the implications of the stress-strain curve in this region, particularly focusing on the relationship between stress and strain as the material is stretched further.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to relate the observed increase in stiffness beyond UTS to stress and strain, questioning the significance of the slope of the curve in this context. There is discussion about whether the zero gradient at UTS implies zero stiffness and how to interpret the changes in stress as strain increases.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the relationship between stress and strain beyond UTS. There is recognition that the stress required to induce further strain decreases rapidly after reaching the peak stress, but no consensus has been reached on the terminology or the physical interpretation of the slope in this region.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the stress-strain relationship, particularly in the non-linear region beyond UTS, and are considering the implications of their assumptions about stiffness and the definitions of related quantities.

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Homework Statement



Explain in terms of stress and strain what happens to the stretched material beyond the ultimate tensile stress.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I can see that the curve beyond UTS represents increasing stiffness but i can't really explain why or relate this to strain.( Does the zero gradient at uts mean zero stiffness ?)
 

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Nemo's said:
I can see that the curve beyond UTS represents increasing stiffness
Decreasing (and negative)?
but i can't really explain why or relate this to strain.( Does the zero gradient at uts mean zero stiffness ?)
Yes. Stiffness would be the slope, no?
But the question doesn't mention stiffness. It just asks you to discuss what's happening to the sample in terms of stress and strain.
 
But the question doesn't mention stiffness. It just asks you to discuss what's happening to the sample in terms of stress and strain.
So Can I just say that as the strain increases the stress decreases at an increasing rate?
I thought I had to mention the quantity represented by the slope in these curve-related questions.
I only said stiffness because I know that the Young Modulus is only related to the linear part of the curve.( Honestly I don't know which name to give the slope in this part)
 
Nemo's said:
So Can I just say that as the strain increases the stress decreases at an increasing rate?
Not sure that makes physical sense. Think of the test set-up. You, the experimenter, supply the stress. The test sample cannot control the stress on it. I would say that beyond the tensile strength (i.e. the peak stress) the stress level required to increase the strain diminishes increasingly rapidly.
I thought I had to mention the quantity represented by the slope in these curve-related questions.
I only said stiffness because I know that the Young Modulus is only related to the linear part of the curve.( Honestly I don't know which name to give the slope in this part)

From what I read, referring to stiffness does not solve that. That also refers to elastic deformation. This link is useful: http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/MaterialFracture/Background1.html
 
haruspex said:
I would say that beyond the tensile strength (i.e. the peak stress) the stress level required to increase the strain diminishes increasingly rapidly.
Yes this makes a lot more sense.
Thanks a lot :)
 
haruspex said:
I would say that beyond the tensile strength (i.e. the peak stress) the stress level required to increase the strain diminishes increasingly rapidly.
Yes this makes a lot more sense.
Thanks a lot :)
 

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