Stuck on a complex ODE (conjugate issues )

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a complex ordinary differential equation (ODE) related to time evolution in the positive quadrant of complex space. Participants explore methods for integrating the ODE, which involves the state of the system depending on its conjugate.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the ODE as \(\frac{{d\psi \left( t \right)}}{{dt}} = i\overline {\psi \left( t \right)}\) and expresses difficulty in integrating it to find the time evolution of \(\psi(0)\).
  • Another participant suggests that the problem can be viewed as a pair of coupled differential equations, breaking it down into real and imaginary parts: \(\frac{d \psi_R}{dt}= -\psi_I\) and \(\frac{d \psi_I}{dt} = \psi_R\).
  • A third participant acknowledges the oversight of not treating the complex number as a system of ODEs and appreciates the clarification.
  • Another contribution points out that taking the conjugate of the original ODE leads to a second-order differential equation: \(\frac{d^2\psi}{dt^2} = \psi\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of treating the ODE as a system of coupled equations, but there is no consensus on the best method to integrate the original equation or on the implications of the derived second-order equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the integration challenge, and participants have not reached a definitive method for solving the original ODE. There are also assumptions regarding the properties of the complex numbers involved that are not explicitly stated.

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Hi everyone.

I'm stuck on a problem, banging of head etc. Basically, I've got a time-evolution problem restricted to the positive quadrant of complex space, where the state of the system [tex]\psi \in \mathbb{C}[/tex] is described by the following type of ODE:

[tex] \frac{{d\psi \left( t \right)}}{{dt}} = i\overline {\psi \left( t \right)} [/tex]

i.e, the time evolution of the state depends on the conjugate, not the state itself (this is determined by the first principles of my system).

Numerically, I can easily generate the quiver diagrams of this first difference, and then use it to simulate the time evolution of the system. The norm seems to grow roughly exponentially, while the argument exponentially approaches [tex]\pi /4[/tex] , which is what I expect.

My problem is that I am at a loss of ideas for how to actually integrate the expression, in order to obtain the expression for the time evolution of [tex]\psi \left( 0 \right)[/tex] for any given starting point in the space.

Any assistance on this would be very much appreciated.
 
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This is just a pair of coupled DE's. Two complex numbers are equal if and only if their real parts are equal and their imaginary parts are equal. Your equation can be written

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}(\psi_R +i\psi_I) = -\psi_I + i\psi_R[/tex]

which splits up into

[tex]\frac{d \psi_R}{dt}= -\psi_I[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac{d \psi_I}{dt} = \psi_R[/tex]

which you should hopefully be able to solve, yes?
 
:redface:

Well, that figures... I was trying to work it while keeping the complex number whole, but completely overlooked treating it as a system of ODEs (and not a complicated one at that).

Thanks a lot for that wake-up call!
 
In this case, this is likely the easier way to solve it: You could also note that if you take the conjugate of your original DE you get

[tex]\frac{d \overline{\psi}}{dt} = -i\psi[/tex]

so taking another derivative of your original equation gives

[tex]\frac{d^2\psi}{dt^2} = i\frac{d \overline{\psi}}{dt} = \psi[/tex]
 
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