Substitution in the following supersymmetry transformation

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the supersymmetry transformation in the context of extremal Reissner-Nordström black holes as presented in Daniel Freedman's book on supergravity. Participants are exploring the substitutions made in the transformation equations, particularly focusing on the role and definition of gamma matrices and the spin connection.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the substitutions made in the supersymmetry transformation equation, particularly regarding the origin of the gamma matrices.
  • Another participant suggests that two of the three indices in the spin connection might be spinor indices, which could clarify the issue.
  • There is a question about how Freedman defines the gamma matrices and their relationship to the spin connection.
  • A participant points out that the gamma matrices appear to split into two components when dealing with specific indices of the spin connection.
  • Another participant notes that the spin connection is antisymmetric, which affects how it interacts with the gamma matrices.
  • Discussion includes a reference to a paper that may provide additional insights, although one participant expresses uncertainty about its relevance.
  • There is mention of the Clifford algebra and how it relates to the separation of gamma matrices, with a reference to the properties introduced in a specific chapter of Freedman's book.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the substitutions or definitions related to the gamma matrices and spin connection. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding these technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding due to potential missing definitions and the complexity of the equations involved. The discussion reflects a reliance on Freedman's conventions, which may not be fully articulated in the text.

PhyAmateur
Messages
103
Reaction score
2
I was reading in this book: Supergravity for Daniel Freedman and was checking the part that has to do with Extremal Reissner Nordstrom Black Hole. He was using killing spinors (that I am very new to).

I was understanding the theory until he stated with the calculations:

He said that the Supersymmetry transformation (21.49) in his book is:

$$\delta \psi_\mu^i=(\partial_\mu +1/4 \gamma^{ab}\omega_{\mu ab})\epsilon^i -1/8\sqrt{2}\kappa \gamma^{ab}F_{ab}\epsilon^{ij} \gamma_\mu \epsilon_j$$

He then started "It is convenient to work with the chiral projections of the two Majo-rana spinors. We thus use the up/down position of the R-symmetry indices, now denoted by **(A, B=1, 2)**, to specify the chirality. Thus, for the SUSY transformation parameters,
we have"

$$\gamma_* \epsilon^A= P_L \epsilon^A = \epsilon^A$$ and $$\gamma_* \epsilon_A= - P_R \epsilon_AA = - \epsilon_A$$ where $$\gamma_*$$ is the usual $$\gamma_5$$ and $$P_L, P_R$$ are projection operators to define chiral parts.

So back to the first equation that I wrote here: He substituted it with:
$$ \delta \psi_{tA} = \partial_t \epsilon _A +1/2 e^{2U} \partial_i U\gamma^i \gamma^0 \epsilon_A -1/4 \sqrt{2}\kappa e^u \partial_i A_t \gamma^i \epsilon_{AB} \epsilon^b =0$$

It is specifically the substitutions that I could not follow, where did the gamma matrices in the last equation come from?

Concerning the spin conection I found them to be: $$\omega^{0i} = e^U \partial_iU e^0$$ and $$\omega ^{ij} = -dx^i\partial_jU+dx^j\partial_iU$$ and they each have 2 indices while in the supersymmetry transformation equation the omega has 3 indices. I know I am missing something and I hope you can help me understand the substitution better.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
are the 2 of the 3 indices, spinor indices? then this can explain your problem by \omega_{\mu (ab)} \rightarrow \omega_{\mu \nu}

However I hope someone else [who has studied the book] can help you more
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PhyAmateur
oh what u wrote makes sense, what about the gamma matrices? We started with $$\gamma^{ab}$$ and then we had $$\gamma^{0}\gamma^i$$?
 
how does freedman define the \gamma^{ab}?
In general I see the gamma coming from the omega_[0,i]
 
In "Our Conventions" page he used it in what follows (Please see attachment) and then he uses it without really defining it or at least I missed its definition some place.. I have not read the book I actually picked up the equation of supersymmetry transformation in order to work on the RN black hole. I could use any reference if you have one in mind in order to solve this problem.. Though this gave me an insight of what's going on, my problem was with the very changes that took place between the given equations and what happened to it after substitutions. Concerning the part where you said that you saw that the gamma coming from omega_[0,i]. May you please elaborate on this one?
 

Attachments

  • Capture.PNG
    Capture.PNG
    4.7 KB · Views: 557
I checked the paper you gave me, in eq (4.3.27) I noticed that when omega(0,0i) that corresponding gamma matrices split into 2 gammas with respective (0) and (i) upper indices but when omega (0,ij) this is not the case. Any clue of what's going on?
 
The spin connection is antisymmetric in ab. So the contraction with the gamma's only gives ab=0i=-i0 and ij=-ji contributions (where i=\=j), hence the factor of 2.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PhyAmateur
Aha I see, and concerning the separation gamma matrices? Any ideas?
 
  • #10
What do you mean by that? Up to a factor depending on conventions one has gamma_{0i} = gamma_0 gamma_i because of the Clifford algebra; these two gamma's anticommute.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PhyAmateur
  • #11
The Clifford algebra and all gamma matrix identities you need are introduced in chapter 3.
This chapter also develops a lot of the spinor properties needed. Especially the Fierz (rearrangement) identity is used often in the chapters leading to the introduction of actual supergravity.

That's about all I can help you with, I only read through it one time (up to chapter 11). I'm starting to work through the text just now.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PhyAmateur

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 38 ·
2
Replies
38
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K