Sucking cranberry juice out of a hose

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an experiment demonstrated by Walter Lewin regarding fluid dynamics, specifically the mechanics of sucking cranberry juice through a hose in different configurations. Participants explore the implications of height and pressure in fluid movement, comparing two scenarios: one where the hose is in a U-shape and another where the participant is elevated on a ladder.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in the first experiment, the juice could only be raised about a meter when the hose was in a U-shape, while in the second experiment, the juice was successfully drawn from a height of 5 meters when the participant was on a ladder.
  • Another participant challenges the claim that juice was sucked up to a height of 5 meters, suggesting that the juice was lifted after creating a vacuum in the hose.
  • It is proposed that the surface area of the beaker may play a role in the fluid dynamics, although this is contested by another participant who argues that pressure should be uniform across the same airspace.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that the technique of sucking may involve the tongue and throat rather than just lung pressure, suggesting a different mechanism for creating the necessary vacuum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of the experiments, particularly regarding the role of height, pressure, and the method of sucking. No consensus is reached on the specifics of how the fluid dynamics operate in the described scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the mechanics of sucking and pressure that remain unresolved, including the effects of surface area and the limitations of human lung capacity in creating a vacuum.

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I just watched the walter lewin lecture on fluids, and he had an experiment where he was sucking it out of a hose when the hose was in a U-shape, and he was only able to bring the level up about a meter. However, when he got on a ladder and was sucking out the juice from the floor in the container, there wasn't any trouble sucking it out 5 meters

Somehow him being on the ladder 5 meters up is the reason for this, and I can't figure out how this works.

For the 2nd experiment, he was sucking the air out of the hose creating a vacuum, so the air pressure at the bottom of the container was pushing the liquid up. But, I would think the same principle would apply for the one at ground level, yet it didnt.
 
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If I found the right video, he did not suck juice up a height of 5m. Nobody could.
He sucked the juice up a short way then closed the top of the tube and lifted it 5m.
 
no he definitely was sucking the whole time...but I think it could be that the beaker had a much larger surface area than the tiny hole from the first experiment.
 
Then please direct me to the right video and time from start.
The area shouldn't matter. If it's all the same airspace then it's all at the same pressure. No human can get lung pressure down to half an atmosphere - you'd be crushed.
 
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/lecture-27/

at 48:30 is when it begins
 
OK, I've got it. We assumed sucking is done with the lungs, but when a strong vacuum is required we naturally switch to a different technique. The sucking is done with the tongue, throat closed. (Check: you can still breathe when sucking hard.) The tongue is pretty strong. The tongue then closes the off the airway at the front of the mouth and opens up at the back, allowing the withdrawn air to be removed (but now at a higher pressure).
 

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