Number of ways of expressing n as positive integers

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The discussion revolves around the function S_n, which represents the number of ways to express a positive integer n as a sum of positive integers, considering the order of summands. The initial values are provided: S_1=1, S_2=2, and S_3=4, with a proposed recurrence relation S_n=S_{n-1}+S_{n-2}-S_1+1. There is confusion regarding the notation and the meaning of expressing integers, with participants clarifying that S_3 equals 4 due to the different combinations of summands. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the last integer in the sum and how it affects the total. Overall, the thread highlights the challenges in grasping the concept and notation related to expressing integers as sums.
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Let S_n denote the number of ways of expressing n as positive integrs..
S_1=1 , s_2=2, s_3=4 ..

Prove that
S_n=S_{n-1}+S_{n-2} ---S_1+1

no idea to prove that :
 
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Sorry, but to me it's not clear what your question means. What does it mean to express a positive integer as positive integers? I can only think of one way to express 3 as a positive integer, namely by 3. Can you show how S_3 = 4?

Your notation in the equation is also confusing. What is the meaning of three consecutive minus signs?
 
I assume that you mean S_n is the number of ways to express n as a sum of positive integers, where orders matters.

Consider the different cases for the last integer in the sum, all of which are disjoint, since order matters. There are n different cases.

Explicitly: if the last integer is 1, then the rest of the integers sum to n-1...
 
nicksauce said:
Sorry, but to me it's not clear what your question means. What does it mean to express a positive integer as positive integers? I can only think of one way to express 3 as a positive integer, namely by 3. Can you show how S_3 = 4?

Your notation in the equation is also confusing. What is the meaning of three consecutive minus signs?

it means 3 can be written as 1+1+1 , 2+1, 1+2, 3 so 4 different ways..
 
tmccullough said:
I assume that you mean S_n is the number of ways to express n as a sum of positive integers, where orders matters.

Consider the different cases for the last integer in the sum, all of which are disjoint, since order matters. There are n different cases.

Explicitly: if the last integer is 1, then the rest of the integers sum to n-1...
Yup that's what I meant
for your hint how would I use notation to represent it ..just one line would be enough

c, its just I have been grappling with this question for far too long and have not made any headway..

Thanks
 
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