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The discussion centers around finding a compact notation for the composition of multiple functions, specifically whether ##\bigcirc^n_{i=1} f_i## is appropriate. Participants express skepticism about this notation, noting that it lacks clarity and is not widely recognized. The conventional notation ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n## is recommended for its obvious meaning. Suggestions include defining a new notation with subscripts for clarity, but the consensus leans towards using established conventions to avoid confusion. Ultimately, clarity and standardization in mathematical notation are emphasized as crucial for effective communication.
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I was wondering if anyone knew the standard notation for the following. Suppose I have functions ##f_1,f_2 \ldots,f_n##, is there a compact way of writing ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n## ? I am debating whether ##\bigcirc^n_{i=1} f_i## is proper or good notation. Have anyone encountered this notation?
 
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disregardthat said:
I was wondering if anyone knew the standard notation for the following. Suppose I have functions ##f_1,f_2 \ldots,f_n##, is there a compact way of writing ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n## ?
This seems fairly compact to me.
disregardthat said:
I am debating whether ##\bigcirc^n_{i=1} f_i## is proper or good notation.
IMO, no. I have never seen this used as notation (which doesn't mean that no one has ever used it). I recommend sticking with ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n##, as its meaning is obvious while your ##\bigcirc## notation is not.
disregardthat said:
Have anyone encountered this notation?
 
In my case, each ##f_i## is a series of compositions ##g_{i1} \circ g_{i2} \ldots \circ g_{ir_i}## as well, (in fact, each ##g_{ij}## is equipped with detailed superscripts). Furthermore, it is not one such ##f_1 \circ \ldots f_n## I want to write out, it is a composition of three such expressions, ##f_1 \circ \ldots \circ f_n##, ##h_1 \circ \ldots \circ h_m##, and ##t_1 \circ \ldots \circ t_k##, each ##f_i, h_i## and ##t_i## on the form above, each with detailed superscripts. Writing it out in full will take too much space and look too cluttery.
 
disregardthat said:
In my case, each ##f_i## is a series of compositions ##g_{i1} \circ g_{i2} \ldots g_{ik_i}## as well, (in fact, the notation contains detailed superscripts as well). Writing it out in full will take too much space and look too cluttery.
How about this? ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n##, where ##f_i = g_{i1} \circ g_{i2} \circ \ldots \circ g_{ik}##
 
Mark44 said:
How about this? ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n##, where ##f_i = g_{i1} \circ g_{i2} \circ \ldots \circ g_{ik}##

That is what I wanted to avoid. Just like ##\sum_{ij} a_{ij}## is neater than "##b_{1} + b_{2} + \ldots##, where ##b_i = a_{i1} + a_{i2} + \ldots##"
 
disregardthat said:
I was wondering if anyone knew the standard notation for the following. Suppose I have functions ##f_1,f_2 \ldots,f_n##, is there a compact way of writing ##f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n## ? I am debating whether ##\bigcirc^n_{i=1} f_i## is proper or good notation. Have anyone encountered this notation?
I haven't seen it.

It's not obvious what ##\bigcirc_{i=1}^3 f_i## should mean.

\begin{align*}
&f_1\circ(f_2\circ f_3)\\
&(f_1\circ f_2)\circ f_3\\
&f_3\circ(f_2\circ f_1)\\
&(f_3\circ f_2)\circ f_1
\end{align*} When you're dealing with linear operators, the notation ##AB## is preferred over ##A\circ B##, and you could write ##\prod_{i=1}^n A_i##.
 
Fredrik said:
I haven't seen it.

It's not obvious what ##\bigcirc_{i=1}^3 f_i## should mean.

\begin{align*}
&f_1\circ(f_2\circ f_3)\\
&(f_1\circ f_2)\circ f_3\\
&f_3\circ(f_2\circ f_1)\\
&(f_3\circ f_2)\circ f_1
\end{align*} When you're dealing with linear operators, the notation ##AB## is preferred over ##A\circ B##, and you could write ##\prod_{i=1}^n A_i##.

Obviously, if you clearly define it and use it repeatedly, readers will be able to cope, but stylistically, it comes across as a circle as used in geometry. Why not define a functional notation using subscript? ## C(f)_{1,n} := f_1 \circ f_2 \circ \ldots \circ f_n ## While personally I like the idea of having a consensually acceptable operator in symmetry to sigma notation, you probably are better off sticking with something a little more conventional.

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