Super silly question about a polynomial identity

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The discussion revolves around the polynomial identity ##-(a-b)^n=(b-a)^n## and the conditions under which it holds true. Participants explore its validity for different integer values of ##n##, including both odd and even cases, and seek intuitive explanations or rigorous demonstrations of the identity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the legitimacy of the identity and expresses confusion about its application.
  • Another suggests testing the identity with small values of ##n## and notes it holds when ##a=b##.
  • Some participants assert that the identity works for specific values of ##n##, such as 2 and 3, and propose generalizing it for odd and even integers.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the implications of the identity for even values of ##n##, particularly in relation to the non-negativity of squares.
  • A participant mentions using the distribution law to factor out ##(-1)^n## and discusses the conditions under which the identity holds true.
  • Clarifications are made that the identity is valid only for odd integers, with specific cases outlined for when ##(a-b)^n = 0## and when ##(a-b)^n \neq 0##.
  • Some participants express uncertainty and seek further confirmation of the identity's validity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the identity's validity for all integers ##n##, with ongoing debate about its application for even versus odd values. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the variables involved and the specific cases discussed. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to fully establish the identity across all integer values.

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Am I(always) legitimized to write ##-(a-b)^n=(b-a)^n##?
I don't know why but it's confusing me... can't really understand when and why I can use that identity
 
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Simply try some low numbers for ##n##. And of course, it is allow in case ##a=b##.
Or use the rule ##(\alpha\cdot \beta)^n=\alpha^n\cdot \beta^n.##
 
fresh_42 said:
Simply try some low numbers for ##n##. And of course, it is allow in case ##a=b##.
Yup, it works for ##n=2## and ##n=3##, so I'd say it could be generalized to any odd and even integer index...

I imagine the most rigorous demonstration for it would be done by using Newton's binomial theorem(?), but is there an intuitive/more-straightforward way to demonstrate it, in order to get me convinced? :)
 
How can it work for ##n=2## if squares are non negative, but the left hand side is? Use the distribution law and pull ##(-1)^n## out.
 
greg_rack said:
Yup, it works for ##n=2##
So, for example it would be true that -(2-1)*2 = (1-2)*2, yes?

EDIT: I see fresh beat me to it
 
fresh_42 said:
How can it work for ##n=2## if squares are non negative, but the left hand side is?
Nevermind, I wrote without thinking...

By the way:
$$(b-a)^n=[-1(a-b)]^n=(-1)^n(a-b)^n$$
which is equal to ##-(a-b)^n## only for odd indexes.
 
greg_rack said:
Nevermind, I wrote without thinking...

By the way:
$$(b-a)^n=[-1(a-b)]^n=(-1)^n(a-b)^n$$
which is equal to ##-(a-b)^n## only for odd indexes.
Yes, you have ## -(a-b)^n=(-1)^n(a-b)^n##. Now comes the important step which is usually forgotten and a never ending well of mistakes!

Case 1: ##(a-b)^n = 0 \Longrightarrow a=b##
Case 2: ##(a-b)^n\neq 0 \Longrightarrow (-1)^n=-1 \Longrightarrow n \text{ odd }##
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes, you have ## -(a-b)^n=(-1)^n(a-b)^n##. Now comes the important step which is usually forgotten and a never ending well of mistakes!

Case 1: ##(a-b)^n = 0 \Longrightarrow a=b##
Case 2: ##(a-b)^n\neq 0 \Longrightarrow (-1)^n=-1 \Longrightarrow n \text{ odd }##
Got it, thanks a lot!
 
greg_rack said:
Yup, it works for n = 2 and n = 3

Are you sure? Are you sure you're sure?
 

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