Surface Element Conversion for Flux Through Uncapped Cylinder

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The discussion focuses on calculating the flux through an uncapped cylinder using surface element conversion. The normal vector for the cylinder is derived as n = <x, 0, z>/sqrt(x^2+z^2>, indicating that flux is radial. The integrand is simplified to a dS term, leading to the conclusion that the flux can be equated to the surface area multiplied by a constant factor. Participants clarify that no conversion of dS is necessary for this problem, as the surface area is simply S = πa^2h. The conversation also touches on how to handle more complex cases involving surface integrals.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Gradient(x, y, z) * <f, g, h> = <fx, gy, hz>

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the cylinder's not capped, I know that all the flux will be in the radial direction. So, I can find a normal vector by finding the gradient of the cylinder: n = <2x, 0, 2z>/(2sqrt(x^2+z^2)) = <x, 0, z>/sqrt(x^2+z^2)

Now, I want to put this in terms of t (the angle) and h (y):
r(t, y) = <acos(t), h, asin(t)>
Where: y: (-2, 2) and t: [0, 2pi)

Now we can rewrite the integrand:
<acos(t)/sqrt(a), 0, asin(t)/sqrt(a)> * <acos(t)/sqrt(a), 0, asin(t)/sqrt(a)> dS
=(a^2cos^2(t) + a^2sin^2(t))/a dS
=a dS

Now, the only thing I'm confused by (assuming everything else is right), is what to do with dS. I know it needs to be put in terms of dt and dh (where I already have the limits of integration), but I am unsure of how to perform this conversion.
 

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Isn't the vector ## \vec{E }## of the field used in this flux equation simply a unit vector in the radially outward direction? If it is, (and I don't know that I should be giving you this much of the answer, but the problem is almost trivial), isn't the flux equal to the surface area?
 
Charles Link said:
Isn't the vector ## \vec{E }## of the field used in this flux equation simply a unit vector in the radially outward direction? If it is, (and I don't know that I should be giving you this much of the answer, but the problem is almost trivial), isn't the flux equal to the surface area?
I believe the answer should be a multiplied by the surface area, but I a unsure how to properly evaluate the integral, converting dS to be in terms of dt and dh.
 
RoyalFlush100 said:
I believe the answer should be a multiplied by the surface area, but I a unsure how to properly evaluate the integral, converting dS to be in terms of dt and dh.
You don't need to do any conversion. Surface area ## S=\pi a^2 h ##.
 
Charles Link said:
You don't need to do any conversion. Surface area ## S=\pi a^2 h ##.
Okay. Just curious though, how would I perform that conversion in a less trivial case?
 
Surface integrals in the general case can take much effort to evaluate. The problem, I think, was designed to keep it simple.
 
In the general case, where you have a surface parametrised by the two variables ##t## and ##s##, the directed surface element is given by
$$
\newcommand{\dd}[2]{\frac{\partial #1}{\partial #2}}
d\vec S = \vec n \, dS = \dd{\vec x}{t} \times \dd{\vec x}{s} dt\, ds,
$$
where ##\vec x## is the position vector (which on the surface is parametrised by ##t## and ##s##.
 
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