Surface Integral Calculation for Parabolic Cylinder on Circular Area

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The discussion revolves around calculating a surface integral of the form ∫∫xdS, where the surface is defined by the equation z=x² over the circular area x²+y²=1. Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate parametrization and integration methods for this problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore different coordinate systems, including Cartesian and polar coordinates, and question how to express the surface parametrization. There are attempts to derive the surface integral in terms of different variables and to understand the implications of symmetry on the integral's value.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on setting up the integral in Cartesian coordinates and have discussed the implications of symmetry on the result. There is an ongoing exploration of the limits of integration and the relationships between the variables involved.

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Participants note the challenge of expressing the surface parametrization and the need to adhere to the constraints of the circular area defined by x²+y²=1. There is also mention of potential symmetry leading to a zero result for the integral.

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How do i calculate the surface integral

[itex]∫∫xdS[/itex] where [itex]z=x^{2}[/itex] is the parabolic cylinder
over the area [itex]x^{2}+y^{2}=1[/itex]I do not know how to solve this task because i can't express the surface parametrization in r(x,y).

But when i express it as g(x,z)=0 i get the double integral dependet on dxdz. But i can't use this when the circular transformation is rdrdθ=dxdyHelp!
 
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Why not just muscle-through it in cartesian coordinates first. So you have a surface integral of a function of three variables f(x,y,z)=x over the surface z=g(x,y)=x^2 that is above the region x^2+y^2=1 in the x-y plane. How would that surface integral look in terms of dydx?
 
I do not know how to do it.

r=xi + yj +zk

z=x^2

or

g(x,z)=z-(x^2/2)

is the only thing popping out of my head right now...
 
beyondlight said:
I do not know how to do it.

You gotta' look in the book dude:

[tex]\mathop\iint\limits_{\begin{array}{cc}z=f(x,y)=x^2\\x^2+y^2=1\end{array}} x ds=\mathop\iint\limits_{x^2+y^2=1} x \sqrt{(f_x)^2+(f_y)^2+1}dA=\mathop\iint\limits_{x^2+y^2=1} x \sqrt{(f_x)^2+(f_y)^2+1}dydx[/tex]

Now I bet you can then convert that last double integral into an explicit one in terms of just x and y for now with upper and lower limits as well as compute those simple partials right?
 
df/dx = 2x

df/dy = 0

sqrt(4x^2 + 1)


The primitive is ((4x^2+1)^1.5)/12

Integration limits over y is then -1 and 1. And -sqrt(1-y^2) and sqrt(1+y^2) over x.

If I am right, then i do not know how to solve the integral involving dx. It looks like it results into zero because of symmetry. (x^2, positive for both limits)



im doing my best, help me out if you want.
 
You got the limits conceptually right but reversed:

[tex]\mathop\iint\limits_{x^2+y^2=1} x\sqrt{4x^2+1}dydx=\int_{-1}^{1} \int_{-\sqrt{1-x^2}}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}} x \sqrt{4x^2+1} dydx[/tex]

and I agree with you: because of symmetry, that's zero.
 

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