TEM plane waves, decay and attenuation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties and applications of TEM plane waves in the context of electromagnetics and RF communications. Participants explore the implications of using the plane wave function over different distances, particularly in relation to decay and attenuation in various environments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the appropriateness of using the plane wave function, e cos(ωt-βz), for long distances, suggesting it may only be suitable for short distances, such as in circuits or through shielding.
  • Another participant explains that the term "plane wave" is an approximation for wave fronts from a source at large distances, where the wave front appears flat rather than concave.
  • It is noted that for short distances, the propagation direction is assumed to be constant, typically in the z direction, and the inverse square law is not applicable in guided structures like coaxial cables.
  • One participant reflects on their learning experience, noting that many EM textbooks do not clearly explain certain concepts, such as the distinction between free charge and bounded charge in Maxwell's equations.
  • Participants mention various textbooks they are using to study electromagnetics, indicating a reliance on multiple sources for clarity on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general understanding that the plane wave function is primarily applicable for short distances, but there is no consensus on its appropriateness for long distances. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which the plane wave function can be applied effectively.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the lack of specification regarding the assumptions behind the use of the plane wave function and the conditions that affect its applicability over different distances.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals studying electromagnetics, RF communications, or related fields may find this discussion helpful, particularly those seeking clarification on the behavior of TEM plane waves and their applications in various contexts.

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I've been trying to get reantiquated with electormagnetics to understand RF communications better. I have a question about TEM plane waves. The funtions which describe the plane waves in the z dirrection are:

e cos(ωt-βz) ; in the time domain

where is the rate of decay.

In free space α is 0, so the plane wave function does not account for free space loss which from what I understand accounts for the fields spreading out is a sphere and the distribution of the fields across the surface of the sphere. Hence it is an inverse square law.

My questions is, is it only appropriate to use the plane wave function, e cos(ωt-βz), for very short distances of travel, i.e. in a circuit, or through a shielding? Is it ever appropriate to use over long distances? Hope my question is making sense. Thanks.
 
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FrankJ777 said:
My questions is, is it only appropriate to use the plane wave function, e cos(ωt-βz), for very short distances of travel, i.e. in a circuit, or through a shielding? Is it ever appropriate to use over long distances? Hope my question is making sense. Thanks.

That's is my understanding: The term plane wave is the approximation of the wave front from a source at large distance, that the small surface area is approx a flat plane rather a concave shape. So for a short distant travel, the wave is in a plane perpendicular to the direction of propagation.

So for short distance, the propagation is assume to be at a constant direction, where, in a lot of books, assumed to be in the z direction ( for no better reason than just picking one!). So the basic formula of of the E wave is:

[tex]\vec E(z)= \hat x E_{(0)} e^{-\alpha z}Re[e^{j\omega t} e^{-j\beta z+ \phi}][/tex]

Where the inverse square thing is ignored. For EM wave in guided structure like coax or other type of tx line, there is no inverse square thing as it is not spreading like a sphere, it is in only one direction.
 
Thanks. That's pretty much what i was assuming, but in the texts I've been reading they really don't specify.
 
FrankJ777 said:
Thanks. That's pretty much what i was assuming, but in the texts I've been reading they really don't specify.

There are a lot of things the EM textbooks do not explain very clearly. I resort to repeat studying three different times with different books to try to understand the material. It was not until the third time studying that I realize signal in electronics does not travel as current, it is really the EM wave that travel and current is the consequence of the boundary condition between the dielectric and the conductor surface. To me, that's the real "light bulb" moment where a lot of things start to make sense.
Another thing that is so not explained clearly is the "free charge" vs "bounded charge" application in the Maxwell's equations. I actually learned from the video lecture done by the India Institute of Technology.

Every time I study back, I learn something new!
 
Yeah, I'm using Wentorth's Electromagnetics, Pozar's Microwave text, and Dan Fliesch's book on Maxwell's equations.
 

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