Temperature and special relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between temperature and special relativity, particularly how relativistic effects influence the perception of temperature in different reference frames. Participants consider theoretical implications, including the behavior of particles at high velocities and the effects of Doppler shifts on temperature measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that as an object approaches the speed of light, its temperature may appear to decrease due to relativistic effects, potentially leading to strange properties associated with low temperatures.
  • Others argue that the temperature of an object, such as a star, can be measured using the light it emits, which is subject to Doppler shifts depending on the observer's relative motion.
  • A participant mentions a reference to a chapter in "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler that discusses temperature in relativistic fluids, suggesting a connection to the topic.
  • One participant speculates that while an object may appear cooler due to relativistic effects, it does not exhibit the properties of a cooler object because its proper temperature can still be calculated in its own reference frame.
  • Another participant discusses the equipartition of kinetic energy in a moving system, suggesting that relativistic shifts may not significantly alter the average behavior of particles in different directions.
  • Some participants highlight that there is no preferred reference frame, and the laws of nature remain consistent across different frames, although acceleration may introduce thermal effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the relationship between temperature and relativistic motion. Participants express uncertainty about the implications of these effects and do not reach a consensus on the overall understanding of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various theoretical frameworks and concepts, including the Unruh Effect and equipartition of energy, but do not resolve the complexities or assumptions underlying these discussions.

Marthius
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I was wondering about the relation of relativity to temperature of a body. Temperature is the measure of the average velocity of the particles in a system, which is D/T. So here is my question, as one is to approach the speed of light relative to some given object, wouldn’t that object move tangentially towards absolute zero. The only reason I ask is because I have heard about some of the strange properties of matter that may arise at these temperatures, and I was wondering how the problem resolves itself.
 
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Let's start with a hot object, a star.
You are in a spaceship traveling past the star at near light speed.
The star light will be blue-shifted as you approach and red-shifted as you recede.
One way to measure heat coming off an object is by measuring the light it emits.
Since the starlight coming from a different reference frame has been doppler shifted, we measure the emitting body as having a different temperature then we would if it were in our reference frame.

Now, we measured the temperature, but we also know how fast we're moving, so we can calculate the correct temperature! So, the behavior of the star is not changing due to our fly by. Thank goodness.
 
I don't remember the details, but I am pretty sure that Gravitation by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler have a chapter on temperature in relativistic fluids, something like chapter 28.

Sorry if I am wrong about this reference, but I do remember thinking about relativistic temperature in a cosmology course and finding a reference that satisfied my questions.
 
Marthius said:
I was wondering about the relation of relativity to temperature of a body. Temperature is the measure of the average velocity of the particles in a system, which is D/T. So here is my question, as one is to approach the speed of light relative to some given object, wouldn’t that object move tangentially towards absolute zero. The only reason I ask is because I have heard about some of the strange properties of matter that may arise at these temperatures, and I was wondering how the problem resolves itself.

The electromagnetic interaction would cease because light could not catch up to it, so it may act adiabatically with regard to the stationary universe, but according to the Unruh Effect the system would seem to you to actually be much hotter than it really is (due to interaction with the vacuum; to avoid reinventing the luminiferous æther, it is interesting to speculate that if the vacuum corresponds to space-time it can be dragged as occurs in the Lense-Thirring effect)...this assertion is founded in the quantum mechanics of relativistic observers in different frames of reference.
 
gendou2 said:
Let's start with a hot object, a star.
You are in a spaceship traveling past the star at near light speed.
The star light will be blue-shifted as you approach and red-shifted as you recede.
One way to measure heat coming off an object is by measuring the light it emits.
Since the starlight coming from a different reference frame has been doppler shifted, we measure the emitting body as having a different temperature then we would if it were in our reference frame.

Now, we measured the temperature, but we also know how fast we're moving, so we can calculate the correct temperature! So, the behavior of the star is not changing due to our fly by. Thank goodness.

So then if i understand you correctly, even though the object will apear to be cooler, it will not exibit the properties of a cooler object because we can still calculate its proper temperature in its own refrence frame?
 
The temperature is a function of the average kinetic energy (among other things). Within a system one will have equipartition of vector directions. So if the box is traveling in the x direction, not only will the y and z components be uneffected but at any given moment would not a given particle have an equal probability of going in either the + or - x direction and thus any relativistic shift would come out in the 'wash'?
 
Marthius said:
So then if i understand you correctly, even though the object will apear to be cooler, it will not exibit the properties of a cooler object because we can still calculate its proper temperature in its own refrence frame?

That sums up my understanding quite well.
Here's another way of thinking about it: There is no preferred reference frame.
The laws of nature are the same in all reference frames.
So, an object moving fast relative to you is actually sitting still, in it's own reference frame.
You might say it doesn't "know" that it's "moving fast".

Now, acceleration on the other hand, will certainly have thermal effects.
That would be a neat topic to learn about.
 

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