Temperature of the Heat Death of the Universe?

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The discussion centers on the concept of the heat death of the universe, suggesting that if it occurs, the temperature will approach zero due to maximum entropy, leading to all particles having the same energy state. There is debate about whether the total energy in the universe could cancel out to a state of non-existence, as well as the nature of particles that might exist at this point. It is noted that massless particles, like photons, will always travel at the speed of light, while massive particles would have varying velocities based on their mass. The idea that all matter could eventually convert to photons is also explored, raising questions about the future state of the universe. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the implications of energy distribution and particle behavior as the universe expands towards heat death.
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Is there a way to calculate the temperature of the heat death of the universe based on the total amount of energy currently in the universe. And if the total amount of energy in the universe is zero (compose dof equal and opposite parts) is it possible for the parts to cancel each other out and return to a state of non-existence? Furthermore, I have heard that when the heat death of the universe happens everything will be at the exact same temperature, that is the velocity of all particles will be the same. But do we have a clue as to what type of particles will be around? Also, if everything is at the exact same temperature would that mean the universe could all be in a super fluid state?
 
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Alutoe said:
Is there a way to calculate the temperature of the heat death of the universe based on the total amount of energy currently in the universe.

In an expanding universe, which we think we live in, the temperature of heat death, if it ever occurs, will be zero.

Furthermore, I have heard that when the heat death of the universe happens everything will be at the exact same temperature, that is the velocity of all particles will be the same.

Energies, not velocities.
 
voko said:
In an expanding universe, which we think we live in, the temperature of heat death, if it ever occurs, will be zero.

Thank you, can you tell me where you know this from or a good direction to search into get the finer details of the idea?



voko said:
Energies, not velocities.

What I was saying was that the energy, and temperature (meaning the velocity) of all particles will be the same at the point when entropy is at a maximum. But that's even wishy-washey since they shouldn't have any velocity or energy available to do work. An interesting question now is will there still be energy present in the form of mass? My instinct says there would not be.
 
Alutoe said:
Thank you, can you tell me where you know this from or a good direction to search into get the finer details of the idea?

Energy is constant, so its density is ever thinner as the expansion continues.

What I was saying was that the energy, and temperature (meaning the velocity) of all particles will be the same at the point when entropy is at a maximum.

Massless particles, such as photons, always move at the speed of light, no matter what their energy. Energy of massive particles depends on their mass and their velocity, so particles with different masses in thermal equilibrium must have different velocities. Except, of course, the equilibrium at 0 K, where all massive particles must freeze into cosmic microwave background - which will become a misnomer, because it will not be microwave, but infinite-length-wave.
 
voko said:
Massless particles, such as photons, always move at the speed of light, no matter what their energy. Energy of massive particles depends on their mass and their velocity, so particles with different masses in thermal equilibrium must have different velocities. Except, of course, the equilibrium at 0 K, where all massive particles must freeze into cosmic microwave background - which will become a misnomer, because it will not be microwave, but infinite-length-wave.

Yes but what I'm also wondering or thinking is that all matter should be in the same form at the heat death of the universe (photons), do you know anything about this?
 
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