Tesla Turbine, or variation of it.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Tesla turbine and variations of its design, particularly focusing on the mechanics of gas injection and the potential for alternative configurations involving heated disks and spiral stators. Participants explore concepts related to efficiency, materials challenges, and the theoretical underpinnings of turbine operation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the basic operation of a Tesla turbine, noting the counterintuitive nature of gas expanding while moving towards the center of the disks.
  • Another participant suggests that a proposed design involving heated disks and spiral stators resembles an aeopile, but acknowledges the materials challenges associated with high temperatures and fast-moving components.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the classification of their design, clarifying that their idea aims to keep heat centralized within the turbine, which functions as a boiler.
  • One participant raises a question about the volume of gas required after it has transferred energy, suggesting a consideration of energy dynamics in the turbine's operation.
  • A participant requests assistance with creating a 3D simulation of a Tesla turbine, indicating an interest in practical application.
  • Another participant references an active community of experimenters discussing Tesla turbines, suggesting a resource for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of turbine design and operation, with no consensus reached on the efficiency or practicality of the proposed variations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the new design and its potential effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge challenges related to materials and efficiency, but do not resolve these issues. The discussion includes speculative ideas that depend on further investigation and experimentation.

Averagesupernova
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As I understand it, a tesla turbine runs by injecting steam, or some other gas onto the outside of several disks mounted parallel to each other on a shaft. The gas is directed roughly tangent to the outside of the disks and it exits through openings in the center of the disks. Seems straight forward and all, but somewhat counter intuitive that expanding steam/air/whatever has to squeeze into a smaller space as it migrates towards the center. If it speeds up to compensate for the smaller space, it is 'fighting' against a slower turning surface towards the center of the disks.
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I have thought about a similar turbine but instead of having preheated steam injected at the outside the whole disk assembly is heated to the point that it will boil water injected at the center. The steam that is boiled off after hitting the hot disks will not do a whole lot as I have described it so far. What I envision is having 'stators' between each disk. These stators would be spiral shaped from the center out to direct the steam in a manner to cause the disks to turn from the friction of the steam against them. The stators would be shaped in a way to take advantage of the steams expanding volume as it migrates towards the outside. Functionally doing the same thing that a conventional steam turbines stator and rotor blades do by changing shape to take advantage of expanded steam as it gets closer to the exhaust. As for sealing between the stator and rotor? So far my only idea is simply a close fit that does not contact. Efficiency may be ridiculously low, but I just am wondering about concept.
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Am I missing something in a conventional tesla turbine? I see reports of efficiencies that are all over the place but you cannot really believe what you read on Nikola Tesla since there are a lot of nut-cases out there that worship anything connected to him.
 
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Something like that can certainly work. It's not a tesla turbine, but an aeopile. People generally try to avoid having fast moving (high strain) and high temperature at the same place/time because it's a materials challenge.
 
Hello Nate. Thanks for the reply. Yes I am sure it is a materials challenge. I'm not too serious about this, just something that crossed my mind. There are plenty of challenges that would be in the way. I'll give more details later on the idea.
 
Actually upon further investigation what I have described is NOT an aeopile. If the spiral shaped stators I referred to turned with the disks then yes it would be an aeopile. My idea is to try to keep all the heat in one place. The turbine itself is the boiler. Let the water turn to steam as it contacts the disks and stators. With the properly shaped stators the disks should turn.
 
i am doing tesla turbine 3D simulation in CFX-11,HOW TO CREATE 3D geometry,i didnt get any idea
 
Averagesupernova said:
As I understand it, a tesla turbine runs by injecting steam, or some other gas onto the outside of several disks mounted parallel to each other on a shaft. The gas is directed roughly tangent to the outside of the disks and it exits through openings in the center of the disks. Seems straight forward and all, but somewhat counter intuitive that expanding steam/air/whatever has to squeeze into a smaller space as it migrates towards the center. If it speeds up to compensate for the smaller space, it is 'fighting' against a slower turning surface towards the center of the disk.

I have never noticed this thread until now, it might help to consider what volume the gas requires if it has given up it's energy, to the work transferred through the spinning disc group.
 

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