Testing Drag Force on a Sphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around testing the drag force on a sphere using the equation FD=1/2 CDAρv², where CD is influenced by Reynolds Number. Participants explore experimental setups to validate this model, focusing on the use of a ball dropped in a fluid, specifically water, and considerations for measuring drag force accurately.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests dropping a ball into a graduated cylinder to measure its velocity and test the drag force model, expressing confusion about determining the linear size for Reynolds Number.
  • Another participant advises ensuring the cylinder's diameter is large compared to the ball's diameter and recommends using various fluids to explore different viscosities and densities.
  • There is a clarification regarding the linear distance for Reynolds Number, with participants agreeing that it is the diameter of the ball.
  • Participants discuss the correct calculation of the cross-sectional area, emphasizing that it should be the area of a circle with the ball's diameter, not half the surface area of the ball.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of the graduated cylinder on fluid flow, the variability of the ball's velocity, and the potential complications if the ball rotates during the fall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the experimental approach and the importance of measuring parameters accurately, but there are multiple considerations and potential complications that remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the diameter of the ball for Reynolds Number calculations, the need to account for fluid confinement effects in the graduated cylinder, and the variability of the ball's velocity during the fall.

MarchON
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Hi all. This is my first question on these forums.

I am given a task to test out whether or not FD=1/2 CDAρv2 is a good model to test drag force.
Where CD is described by Reynold's Number.

We have a balloon a small ball and a myriad of basic physics lab equipment.What is a experiment I could do that would test this model and its reliability?

I'm thinking of dropping the ball into the graduated cylinder and timing it hitting the bottom to get its velocity. I have the density of water, as well as the cross sectional area (it's half the area of the ball, right?). When it comes to CD, the drag coefficient, I'm simply confused about determining linear size of the object to obtain Reynold's number. After I figure that out though, I think I'll be good.

Is this a good idea? Will it accurately test the model? My only confusion is that if I'm testing to see if it's reliable, don't I need something to compare? I have nothing else.

Thanks!
 
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Sounds pretty good. Just make sure that the cylinder diameter is large compared to the diameter of the ball. Consider using other fluids in addition to water, so you have a range of viscosities and densities. Consider using different ball diameters and different ball densities. Make sure you wait long enough in the experiment for the fall to reach terminal velocity. Don't let the ball come too close to the bottom of the cylinder. You should do calculations in advance to make sure that you cover the wide range of Reynolds numbers present in the correlations in the literature. Try to measure the temperature of the liquid so that the viscosity is known in each test.

Chet
 
Thank you!

Also, I think I figured out that the linear distance is the diameter of the ball, right?
 
MarchON said:
Thank you!

Also, I think I figured out that the linear distance is the diameter of the ball, right?
Yes. Also check out web sites on Falling Ball Viscometry and Falling Ball Viscometer Corrections.

Chet
 
MarchON said:
Thank you!

Also, I think I figured out that the linear distance is the diameter of the ball, right?

The cross-sectional area of the ball is not equal to half the surface area of the ball, but the area of a circle whose diameter is the same as that of the ball.

The cross-section, i.e. the section obtained when cutting the ball in two, is a circle.
 
SteamKing said:
The cross-sectional area of the ball is not equal to half the surface area of the ball, but the area of a circle whose diameter is the same as that of the ball.

The cross-section, i.e. the section obtained when cutting the ball in two, is a circle.

Ohh thank, you! Saved me.
 
MarchON said:
Ohh thank, you! Saved me.
Just to chime in: don't forget about:

1) the graduated cylinder confines the fluid through which the ball falls, altering the flow field and complicating the measurement.
2) the ball's velocity is not a constant- but a measurement of the 'terminal velocity' may suffice
3) If the object is rotating while it falls, there will be another complication you have to account for.

Otherwise, go for it!
 

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