Is the speed of gravity really being tested with this experiment?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the testing of the speed of gravity through various experimental claims, particularly those made by Kopeikin and others. It examines the interpretations of experimental data related to gravitational phenomena and the speed of light, exploring both supportive and critical perspectives on these claims.

Discussion Character

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Kopeikin's claims that his experiment measures the speed of gravity, suggesting it is 1.06 times the speed of light.
  • Others argue that the measurements discussed do not provide a reliable test of the speed of gravity, instead asserting that they primarily measure the speed of light.
  • A participant cites criticisms of Kopeikin's findings, stating they are invalid by both experimental and theoretical standards, and that previous experiments have shown gravity to propagate much faster than light.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy required to verify Kopeikin's calculations, with some noting that the necessary precision is extremely challenging to achieve.
  • Kopeikin's confidence in his methods is mentioned, highlighting his belief that they can detect discrepancies much smaller than the required angular differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the experimental results and the validity of Kopeikin's claims. There is no consensus on whether the speed of gravity has been accurately measured or what the implications of the findings are.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties regarding the definitions and interpretations of measurements related to the speed of gravity and the speed of light, as well as the experimental limitations faced in verifying such claims.

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Kopeiken and Fomolont interpret this slight displacement as providing an experimental handle on the speed of gravity itself, and thereby calculate the value of 1.06 times c. Other scientists disagree with this interpretation, and say that the radio lensing data can do little more than provide a measurement of the speed of light, not gravity. Two such opinions, by scientists who did not report at the AAS meeting, are as follows: Clifford Will of Washington University in the US (preprint at (www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0301145 ) and Hideki Asada of Hirosaki University in Japan
 
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http://www.metaresearch.org/media%20and%20links/press/SOG-Kopeikin.asp

Abstract. New findings were announced on 2003/01/08 by S. Kopeikin, claiming to have measured the "speed of gravity" and finding it essentially equal to the speed of light. These findings are invalid by both experimental and theoretical standards because the quantity measured was already known to propagate at the speed of light. The hyped claims therefore do a disservice to science in general and the advancement of physics in particular because the announced findings do not represent the meaning of the actual experimental results and cannot possibly represent the physical quantity heretofore called "the speed of gravity", which has already been proved by six experiments to propagate much faster than light, perhaps billions of times faster. Several mainstream relativists have also stated their disagreement that the experiment really measured what it claimed to measure.
 
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http://www.nature.com/nsu/020902/020902-13.html

The accuracy needed to verify Kopeikin's calculations is challenging. The telescopes must pick up angular differences of less than a third of a billionth of a degree. But Kopeikin is confident that his techniques, developed in collaboration with Ed Fomalont of the NRAO, are sensitive to discrepancies 100 times smaller than that - just enough to confirm Einstein's predictions.
 

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