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The discussion revolves around finding suitable textbooks for an undergraduate physics course that covers topics such as oscillations, mechanical waves, electromagnetic waves, physical optics, and thermodynamics. Participants are seeking alternatives to the recommended textbooks, which are perceived as inadequate.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the recommended textbooks and what makes them "not very good."
  • Another participant lists the recommended textbooks: French's Vibrations and Waves, Pedrotti's Intro to Optics, and Pain's The Physics of Vibrations and Waves.
  • A participant shares their experience with Pain's book, describing it as "just okay," and suggests a free resource by Georgi, noting it is comparable to the listed books.
  • Concerns are raised about the coverage of thermodynamics in the recommended materials, with a suggestion to check if prior courses have covered relevant chapters in the introductory physics textbook.
  • One participant comments on the scarcity of textbooks that fit between elementary physics and upper-division undergraduate levels, indicating a limited selection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the quality of the recommended textbooks, with some finding them lacking while others provide alternative suggestions. There is no consensus on which textbooks are the best fit for the course material.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of textbooks may depend on the specific content covered in the course, particularly regarding thermodynamics, and that students may not be expected to have a strong background in this area.

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There's an undergraduate physics course at my uni that covers these topics and the course description is: Mathematical descriptions for classical physics: oscillations, mechanical waves, electromagnetic waves, physical optics and thermodynamics. Are there any good studying materials/textbooks I could use that covers these topics (the suggested textbooks for the course aren't very good which is why I'm asking here).
 
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What book did they recommend? And what is "not very good" about it?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
What book did they recommend? And what is "not very good" about it?
Hi, I don't mean that the textbook is poorly written, but there are multiple listed textbooks for the class that the professor says are meant to be supplementary, so I'd like to know if there are other textbooks out there on the topic.
 
What books did they recommend?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
What books did they recommend?
French's Vibrations and Waves, Pedrotti's Intro to Optics, and Pain's The physics of vibrations and waves
 
I took a class that partially used an earlier edition of Pain's book - it was just okay. One free resource is the book by Georgi, at about the same level as the books you are listing. It looks pretty good to me:
https://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~hgeorgi/new.htm
French's book is well written but doesn't cover all of the material, of course.

For thermodynamics it depends a lot on what the course covers. Did prior courses already cover the thermodynamics chapters in your intro physics textbook? If not, that would be the place to start.

jason
 
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jasonRF said:
I took a class that partially used an earlier edition of Pain's book - it was just okay. One free resource is the book by Georgi, at about the same level as the books you are listing. It looks pretty good to me:
https://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~hgeorgi/new.htm
French's book is well written but doesn't cover all of the material, of course.

For thermodynamics it depends a lot on what the course covers. Did prior courses already cover the thermodynamics chapters in your intro physics textbook? If not, that would be the place to start.

jason
Students aren't expected to have a great thermodynamics background in the course
 
French is OK. I think you will find relatively few books at this level - above elementary physics and below upper-division undergrad. It's a pretty thin slice.
 

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