The amount of power supplied/received by the dependent current source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around analyzing a circuit involving a dependent current source and resistors, focusing on the application of Mesh Current analysis and the calculation of power supplied and received by the current source. Participants explore various methods to solve the circuit and verify their results.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using Mesh Current analysis instead of combining resistors, proposing that it would yield two equations with two unknowns.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) due to a lack of known voltages in the circuit.
  • A later reply indicates that defining loop currents based on the current source values could simplify the analysis.
  • One participant presents a calculation leading to a current of 0.4 A, questioning the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation and suggests checking power conservation by comparing power produced and consumed.
  • Participants discuss the formula for power and how to apply it to a current source, with one providing a calculation for voltage and power based on the known current and resistance.
  • There is a clarification about voltage drops in parallel paths, with one participant asserting that the voltage across parallel components is the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of Mesh Current analysis and the calculations presented, but there are differing views on the application of KVL and the interpretation of voltage drops in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the initial conditions and the definitions of voltages in the circuit, which may affect their analysis.

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Homework Statement


http://imgur.com/jsIWS

Homework Equations



Ʃ [itex]V_{n}[/itex] = 0
Ʃ [itex]I_{n}[/itex] = 0
v = ir

The Attempt at a Solution



I combined the two 2Ω resistors into a single 4 Ω resistor because they're in series.

Then I tried to use KCL but I got 2 unknowns in one equation.

0.2A + [itex]\frac{Vi}{4}[/itex] = I
 
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Hi November,

Are you familiar with Mesh Current analysis? I think you are getting ahead of yourself when you add the two resistors together. Try leaving them separate and applying Mesh Current analysis. That should give you two equations and two unknowns.

Here is a short lesson on Mesh Current if you are unfamiliar with it or need a refresher:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_10/3.html (The first problem is very similar to yours.)
 
I don't know the voltage of any of the devices in the circuit, so how can I use KVL?
 
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Hmm, I may have given a more complicated method than necessary. If you were to use Mesh Current, you would draw the 2 current loops. When you have a current source in a loop, then you can just define that loop current as the value of the current source (i.e. I1 = 0.2 A, I2 = V1/4). I have noticed there is an easier way, using what you already have done.

If you only look at the top 2Ω resistor and write out Ohm's law in regards to it, that will give you a second equation that you can use with your first one in order to solve the problem.
 
Vi = 2I

0.2A + [itex]\frac{Vi}{4}[/itex] = I

0.2A = I - [itex]\frac{I}{2}[/itex]

0.4A = I

Did I do this right?
 
That's what I got!

You can always do an extra check by calculating the power produced (by the two current sources) vs. power consumed (by the two resistors). These should always be the same.
 
The formula for power is P = IV, P= [itex]I^{2}[/itex]R
So how can I check the power output of a current source?
 
P = IV still applies.

You know the current through the two resistors (0.4 A), and the equivalent resistance of the two series resistors is 4Ω. So to find the voltage from the top node to the bottom node, it's just:

V = IR
V = 0.4*4
V = 1.6 volts

Then P = IV!

Edit: And maybe I should be clear that 1.6 volts is also the voltage across each current source.
 
Do you mean the top and bottom nodes of the resistor or the current source? If you mean the resistor, then wouldn't the voltage drop be split between the two paths at the bottom node?
 
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But it's in parallel so they would have the same voltage right?
 
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Yep! I was just making a few doodles on the picture to illustrate that, so I'm going to post it anyways, even though you already got it. :smile:

Voltage_Nodes.png
 

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