Geordie Ross
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Do aircraft need to factor in the coriolis effect when flying?
The discussion revolves around the relevance of the Coriolis effect in air travel, particularly whether it needs to be considered by pilots during flight. Participants explore its implications for aircraft navigation, the influence of atmospheric conditions, and comparisons with other forms of travel such as ICBMs and artillery shells.
Participants express differing views on the significance of the Coriolis effect in aircraft navigation, with no consensus reached. Some believe it is a critical factor, while others contend that its influence is indirect and largely mitigated by atmospheric conditions.
Participants highlight the complexity of the Coriolis effect in relation to various flight conditions, including altitude and speed, and the potential for assumptions regarding air resistance and lateral forces to influence conclusions.
cjl said:Not the way that webpage shows, no. The atmosphere rotates with the earth, so that pretty much takes care of any direct influence the coriolis effect would have (since the plane moves within the atmosphere, not within a fixed inertial frame independent of the Earth's rotation). The Coriolis effect does strongly influence wind currents though, so the aircraft does need to factor those in. In that way, it has a significant indirect effect.
sophiecentaur said:The situation is different for ICBMs and probably for very high altitude hypersonic craft, which are on the very atmospheric fringe.
cjl said:Absolutely. Coriolis will have a significant effect on the trajectory of long-range artillery and ballistic missiles, since they are far less coupled to the atmosphere than aircraft.
Wrong! You always steer "into the wind". Wind vector triangles are plotted to determine what heading must be steered in order to follow a particular course.willem2 said:Suppose you have a plane, flying from the equator, straight north to the northpole. The nose of the plane points north all of the time.
There is also a vertical component, which slightly affects the required lift and thus fuel consumption.willem2 said:There will be a coriolis acceleration of 2 v x ω to the right