The difference between bv and kv^2 drag

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The discussion revolves around understanding the differences between linear drag (F = b*v) and quadratic drag (F = k*v^2) in the context of objects moving through air. The original poster seeks clarification on the proportionality constants b and k, particularly in relation to their definitions and applicability under different conditions.

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which linear and quadratic drag are applicable, with some discussing the factors influencing the constants b and k. Questions arise regarding the relationship between these constants and their dependence on factors like fluid density and viscosity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the conditions for applying linear and quadratic drag equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the applicability of the constants, but no consensus has been reached on how to relate them directly.

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Participants note that the context involves objects moving through air at varying speeds, with specific mention of experiments conducted to measure wind forces on a water rocket. There is an emphasis on the differences in drag behavior at different velocities.

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What is the difference between the two proportionality constants for liner drag
F=b*v
and quadratic drag
F=k*v^2
considering a general object moving trough air? i know that k is given by
1/2*ρ*C_w*A
where C_w is the drag coefficient
 
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Quadratic drag is typically applicable to objects moving through a medium at relatively high speeds , like heavy falling objects, whereas linear drag is typically applicable to light objects or particles moving through a medium (like a viscous thick fluid) at relatively low speeds. For objects moving through air, generally the quadratic drag equation applies. Similarly, wind forces on structures are proportional to the square of the wind speed...if you double the wind speed, the force or pressure is quadrupled.
 
Thank you. But can the constant in linear drag be descirbed by som factors similar to the constant in qudratic drag? except for sferes moving in fluids...
 
Hannibal123 said:
Thank you. But can the constant in linear drag be descirbed by som factors similar to the constant in qudratic drag? except for sferes moving in fluids...
Oh, i see what you are driving at...see here for the difference betweeen k and b


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_(physics )
 
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In the region where the linear drag equation applies, the drag coefficient Cw is inversely proportional to the velocity. More, precisely, the drag coefficient is inversely proportional to the (dimensionless) Reynolds Number (Re), which is equal to ρvL/η, where ρ is the fluid density, η is the fluid viscosity, and L is a characteristic length for the object, such as the diameter of a sphere.
 
Ok thanks. I have made an experiment where i have measured the wind force on an object (a water rocket) at different wind speeds. Plotted into a graph it gives me these values:
http://imgur.com/He0Qd
Which must be quadratic drag
Or the same values but the with the velocity squared on the horisontal axis
http://imgur.com/0xfMX
Thus obtaining the k value K=0,0032 kg/m
Now based on what you said, it wouldn't make any sense to try and apply this k value to a linear drag right?
 
Right.
 

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