The Energy in an Electromagnetic Wave and the shape of the Wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy of electromagnetic (EM) waves, specifically its relationship to the amplitude and the shape of the wave. Participants explore concepts related to the wave equation, the sinusoidal nature of EM waves, and the effects of medium on wave propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the energy of an EM wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude.
  • There is a claim that the shape of an EM wave is sinusoidal, and that the wave equation is linear, allowing for sums of sinusoidals to also be solutions.
  • Participants discuss whether the shape of an EM wave changes when it travels through a medium, suggesting that this depends on the dispersion relation.
  • One participant argues that while the wave equation is linear, sums of sinusoidal solutions are not necessarily sinusoidal.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the energy density of the electromagnetic field in a vacuum, referencing the Maxwell equations, despite a preference expressed for avoiding equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the necessity of equations in the discussion, and there are differing views on the implications of the wave equation and the nature of EM waves in various media. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific relationships and effects mentioned.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific assumptions about the medium and the definitions of terms like "energy density." The discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions or the mathematical steps involved.

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no need of equations
 
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fizzyfiz said:
I met a statement that the energy of EM wave is proportional to the amplitude square
Don't keep us in the dark: tell us where you encountered this statement. In a dark alley or in broad daylight ?

the shape of EM wave is sinusoidal
The wave equation is linear: any sum of sinusoidals is also a solution.

Does shape of EM wave change when it travels through medium
Depends on the dispersion relation.

fizzyfiz said:
no need of equations
Totally disagree
 
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BvU said:
The wave equation is linear: any sum of sinusoidals is also a solution.
Any sum of sinusoidals that are themselves solutions is also a solution, and these sums are not necessarily sinusoidal

BvU already knows this of course; I'm just adding footnotes for other people who may be reading the thread.
 
Though you forbid me to use the adequate language, which are formulae, I answer, because maybe it can help you to understand the issue. No matter which specific electromagnetic field you have (of course it must obey the Maxwell equations for the given charge-current distribution) the energy density of the electromagnetic field in a vacuum is (in SI units)
$$u_{\text{em}}(t,\vec{x})=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \vec{E}^2(t,\vec{x}) + \frac{1}{2 \mu_0} \vec{B}^2(t,\vec{x}).$$
 

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