The Fundamental Frequencies of Open Pipes

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The discussion revolves around the fundamental frequencies of open pipes, specifically comparing two pipes of different lengths and the implications of end correction on frequency ratios.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the frequency ratio of two open pipes of lengths l and 2l is not exactly 2:1, considering the effects of end correction. They also seek to analyze a specific case where two pipes produce a frequency ratio of 1:95.
  • Some participants question the assumption that end correction scales linearly with length, suggesting it is dependent on the radius instead.
  • Others propose re-evaluating the equations used, indicating that the original poster may have applied the wrong formula for open tubes.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of a negative end correction value, with participants questioning its physical meaning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the application of formulas and the nature of end correction. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information available for solving the problems. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of their findings.

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Homework Statement



could someone please explain :-
1. why the fundamental frequencies of 2 open pipes of the same diameter and of lengths l and 2l are not exactly in the ratio 2:1?
2. given that 2 open pipes of the same diameter but of lengths 50cm and 100cm are found to produce fundamental frequencies in the ratio 1:95,what can be concluded from these figures? [ans:endcorrection 1.31cm]

Homework Equations


1. v=f[tex]\lambda[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]\lambda[/tex]/2 for the 1st open pipe= l+2e ,therefore f1=v/2(l+2e)
[tex]\lambda[/tex]/2 for pipe2 = 2(l+2e),and f2=v/2(2l+2e)

f1 divided by f2 gives 2:1. since the frequency here depends on v,length and the endcorrection only,shouldn't the ratio be 2:1?
seems like I'm missing something but i can't figure out what & i haven't got a clue as to how to workout part 2.
any help would be much appreciated
 
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I don't know but i'd say that the end correction isn't doubled when the tube length is doubled, since it changes as a function of the radius not the length.

lambda by 2 for pipe 2= 2(l) + 2e
 
Hmmm, An open tube resonates at the same frequency as a closed tube of half its length for open tubes, the equation you're using is for closed tubes, try it out again halving the length, you've practically got it though.
 
I don't know but i'd say that the end correction isn't doubled when the tube length is doubled, since it changes as a function of the radius not the length.

lambda by 2 for pipe 2= 2(l) + 2e

Yes.Thanx for pointing out my mistake.So after correcting it I get,
2l+2e[tex]/l+2e[/tex]

Chewy0087 Re: statinary waves in open pipes

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Hmmm, An open tube resonates at the same frequency as a closed tube of half its length for open tubes, the equation you're using is for closed tubes, try it out again halving the length, you've practically got it though.
May26-09 05:41 PM

I think I've used the right equation

As For part 2)I get an endcorrection of -0.503m which is way off the answer given ,1.31cm.Can someone please check my working?
[tex]\lambda1[/tex]/2=0.5+2e therefore [tex]\lambda1[/tex]=1+4e
[tex]\lambda2[/tex]/2=1+2e therefore [tex]\lambda1[/tex]=2+4e

v/f1=1+4e
v/f2=2=4e and according to the given data f2=95f1,so after substituting and dividing one by the other I get
95(2+4e) = 1+4e
190+380e = 1+4e
e = -0.503m
My other problem is, can the endcorrection of a pipe have a negative value?
 

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