The hilarious phyiscs of Iron Man

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The discussion revolves around the physics of the Arc Reactor from the Iron Man films, exploring its theoretical implications, particularly regarding magnetic fields, blood flow, and the feasibility of the calculations presented. Participants engage with both the scientific and humorous aspects of the fictional technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the magnetic field generated by the Arc Reactor, estimating a current of 1,200,000 Amps and a magnetic field of 2.4 Teslas, and seeks to measure the magnetic force on iron particles in blood.
  • Another participant questions the role of iron in blood flow, suggesting that blood's salinity may play a significant role and introduces the concept of Magnetohydrodynamic drive as a potential mechanism.
  • Some participants argue that the Arc Reactor's power output can be controlled, and clarify that the magnet's purpose is to prevent iron shavings from entering the heart rather than to pump blood.
  • One participant critiques the feasibility of the calculations, stating that such a high current would vaporize conductors and be lethal, suggesting that the steady state current would actually be zero.
  • There is a humorous exchange regarding the unrealistic portrayal of science in the films, particularly the creation of a new element using a particle accelerator in a basement.
  • Clarifications are made about the original function of the Arc Reactor, emphasizing its role in preventing shrapnel from reaching Stark's heart rather than inducing blood flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the physics involved, with some supporting the calculations and others challenging their validity. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly concerning the practical implications of the Arc Reactor's design and function.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the physical properties of blood and the effects of high currents are not fully explored, and the discussion includes speculative elements about the fictional technology.

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(skip this paragraph if you just want the math) I had some free time today, so I thought I'd toy with the impossible hilarity of the Arc Reactor from the Iron Man films. My first line of calculation was on the magnetic field that would be generated if 1/10th of the power output (3 gigawatts!) were to travel through the length of wire coming out of the generator.

Math:
P= 3x10^8 watts
V* = 250 V

P=IV --> P/V=I --> (3x10^8 watts)/(250 V) --> 1,200,000 Amps

I= 1,200,000 Amps
R**= .05 m

B= UiI/2PiR = (4π×10−7 (NA^-2))(1,200,000 A)/(2π(.05m))
B= 2.4 Teslas

*(I chose this number from the voltage of an industrial electromagnet)
**(roughly the distance to his heart)

Now assuming this math is correct so far, how could I measure the magnetic force on the iron particles in the blood? The volume of the heart is .28 M^3 and there is ~160 grams of iron per liter, meaning there's 44.8 grams finely dispersed in solution. My guess is there's a very simple equation to figure this out, but as of now I don't know of any.
 
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WOW, 120 some views and no comments......

Enlighten those of us who can't remember the "Arc Reactor" details.

This is the thing on his chest, it inductively pumps blood, because of his damaged heart?

"If" movement of blood through the use of magnetic fields is the question, here are some thoughts of mine.

1. Research the "floating frog" in the static magnetic field.

2. Iron may not be the primary component causing magnetic field induced blood flow, blood is salty as I recall. Here is another approach, Magnetohydrodynamic drive,

"An electric current is passed through seawater in the presence of an intense magnetic field, which interacts with the magnetic field of the current through the water. Functionally, the seawater is then the moving, conductive part of an electric motor. Pushing the water out the back accelerates the vehicle in the forward direction":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_drive

Perhaps these thoughts will get this thread moving......
 
Perhaps it has 3GW potential but he can control how many watts it is generating.

jmatejka,

He is just using the magnet to keep the iron shavings from flowing into his heart, not to pump any blood.
 
WOW, 120 some views and no comments......


You mean superheros are not based on real physics? I'm shocked.
 
stevenb said:
You mean superheros are not based on real physics? I'm shocked.

No, just shocked at lack of effort to try and apply some "real" Physics, or address his calculations positively or negetively.
 
LostConjugate said:
Perhaps it has 3GW potential but he can control how many watts it is generating.

jmatejka,

He is just using the magnet to keep the iron shavings from flowing into his heart, not to pump any blood.

Thanks for clarification.
 
jmatejka said:
No, just shocked at lack of effort to try and apply some "real" Physics, or address his calculations positively or negetively.

Well, I guess I would have to address them negatively, assuming I understand the logic put forth.

A current of 1.2 MAmps is going to instantly vaporize any conductor, and kill anyone in direct contact with it. Hence, the steady state current is zero, the magnetic field is zero, the force on the iron is zero, and our superhero is dead.

Well OK, he's a super hero, so he won't be directly killed, but will only die when his Achilles heel is exposed, as a direct result of the system failure.
 
stevenb said:
Well OK, he's a super hero, so he won't be directly killed, but will only die when his Achilles heel is exposed, as a direct result of the system failure.

Actually there's nothing special about Iron Man - he doesn't have any super powers. The only thing that makes him a super hero is his magic metal suit.

I had to laugh when I saw the second film and he made an ad hoc particle accelerator in his basement and created a new element. As you do.
 
Turtle492 said:
I had to laugh when I saw the second film and he made an ad hoc particle accelerator in his basement and created a new element. As you do.

You've never done that?
 
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LostConjugate said:
You've never done that?

Sadly no. It's on my to-do list though.
 
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It's a comic book character.

Stop being sad.
 
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jmatejka said:
Enlighten those of us who can't remember the "Arc Reactor" details.

This is the thing on his chest, it inductively pumps blood, because of his damaged heart?

Well, I don't know if they've changed it for the movie but, originally, the device simply magnetically stopped a piece of shrapnel from penetrating his heart. There was nothing about induction pumping.

Stark tripped a booby trap and a piece of shrapnel was lodged in his chest. ... the shrapnel would penetrate his heart and kill him. Wong-Chu offered Stark at deal: if he built the Communist a powerful weapon, want to allow Stark to undergo an operation to save his life.

The armor contained a pacemaker like device which enables Stark's heart to keep beating after the shrapnel entered it.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/i/ironman.htm
 
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