The Mean Free Path and the Magnetic Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the impact of magnetic fields on the mean free path of charged particles, particularly electrons, and how this affects their collision dynamics in various materials. Participants explore theoretical implications, experimental observations, and the relevance of these factors in practical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a magnetic field curves the path of charged particles, suggesting that this curvature modifies the mean free path and the average number of collisions per second.
  • Others argue that there is no direct relationship between the magnetic field and the mean free path, asserting that the mean free path remains unchanged despite the curvature of the particle's trajectory.
  • A participant highlights that while the path shape may not affect the mean free path, the manner of energy loss and collision dynamics could be influenced by the magnetic field.
  • Some contributions reference the Bethe-Bloch dE/dx equation as a framework for understanding energy loss in charged particles, noting its applicability in magnetic fields.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a semi-classical approximation to accurately describe the effects of magnetic fields on transport properties of electrons in metals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the curvature of a charged particle's path in a magnetic field affects the mean free path and collision dynamics. There is no consensus on this issue, with multiple competing perspectives presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific assumptions about the nature of collisions and the behavior of particles in magnetic fields, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also references experimental data and theoretical models without resolving the implications of these references.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, materials science, or electromagnetism, particularly in contexts involving charged particle dynamics in magnetic fields.

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A magnetic field curves the path of a charged particle for example the electron.So the application of a magnetic field should curve the path of the free electrons between successive collisions[More conspicuously for a large magnetic field].The"free path" of an electron then is no more a straight line.In such a situation the application of results that assume the mean free path of an electron to be straight line needs to be modified. Moreover the curving of particles caused by the magnetic field may also change the average number of collisions per second affecting the thermal state of the body.
Even a weak magnetic field like that of the Earth may bring about these effects in a small way.
Do we consider these factors seriously for metallic bodies (and other materials) at ordinary temperatures?
 
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There is no direct relationship between the magnetic field and the collisions per unit length in a magnetic field. The stopping power of charged particles is given by the Bethe-Bloch dE/dx equation. The most accurate early (1950's) measurements of the masses of stopping positive and negative muons, and stopping positive and negative pions, in photographic emulsions in roughly 1.5 Tesla magnetic fields. Look up Barkas Birnbaum and Smith in Physical Review:

http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v101/i2/p778_1

Bob S

[added] The Bethe-Bloch dE/dx equation involves collisions between the incident charged particle and atomic electrons. There is a very small difference between the dE/dx of positive and negatively charged incident particles, but the collision distance is always less than atomic radii. The dE/dx equations also work well inside magnetized iron.
 
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The shape of the path taken by a charged particle won't affect the distance it can travel between collisions.
The mean free path remains the same.

Running round in circles in a rainstorm won't keep you dry.
 
Running round in circles won't keep me dry.That is true but the manner in which I get drenched is indeed different(more conspicuously at the initial stages). Just try to compare rain coming down vertically and the same rain in a swirling wind. The matter should become clear now."The shape of the path taken by a charged particle won't affect the distance it can travel between collisions.
The mean free path remains the same."

The distance between a pair of points definitely depends on the path connecting the two points.
 
If the dE/dx collision energy loss is 2 MeV per gram per cm2 (minimum ionizing particle) and the energy loss per collision is ~ 30 eV, then there are ~66,000 collisions (with atomic electrons) per gram per cm2. For normal solid materials, the distance between collisions is negligible when compared to the curvature of the track, so the track can be considered straight. In fact, the track deviation due to curvature between collisions is less than the rms scattering angle due to the individual electron collisions. But the track deviation due to the magnetic field is additive, while the multiple scattering angle (Moliere scattering) is reduced by statistical averaging.

Bob S
 
Anamitra said:
A magnetic field curves the path of a charged particle for example the electron.So the application of a magnetic field should curve the path of the free electrons between successive collisions[More conspicuously for a large magnetic field].The"free path" of an electron then is no more a straight line.In such a situation the application of results that assume the mean free path of an electron to be straight line needs to be modified. Moreover the curving of particles caused by the magnetic field may also change the average number of collisions per second affecting the thermal state of the body.
Even a weak magnetic field like that of the Earth may bring about these effects in a small way.
Do we consider these factors seriously for metallic bodies (and other materials) at ordinary temperatures?

You are right in thinking that a sufficiently large magnetic field alters the transport properties of valence electrons in a metal. The correct treatment of the effects you are discussing is by using the semi-classical approximation of the quantum mechanical equations for Bloch electrons in an external electromagnetic field.
 
Dickfore said:
You are right in thinking that a sufficiently large magnetic field alters the transport properties of valence electrons in a metal. The correct treatment of the effects you are discussing is by using the semi-classical approximation of the quantum mechanical equations for Bloch electrons in an external electromagnetic field.
The correct treatment of charged particle energy loss in matter is given by the Bethe-Bloch dE/dx equation, given in Section 27.2 if the LBL Particle Data Group review:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-passage-particles-matter.pdf

Bob S
 

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