The Natural Logarithm and the Mysterious Constant e

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the exponential function, specifically the natural exponential function \(e^x\) and its properties. Participants explore why the derivative of \(e^x\) is equal to \(e^x\) and delve into the implications of the constant \(e\) in various contexts, including limits and power series.

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  • Participants present various perspectives on the differentiation of \(e^x\), including limit definitions, power series, and the relationship between exponential and logarithmic functions. Some question the validity of using the power rule for \(e^x\) and discuss the implications of defining the exponential function through different methods.

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The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the definition and properties of the exponential function. Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between differentiation and the properties of the constant \(e\), while others are questioning assumptions and definitions related to the topic.

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There are references to the circular nature of defining logarithmic and exponential functions, as well as the constraints of using power series and limits in the context of differentiation. Participants are also considering the implications of these definitions in the broader context of calculus and its applications.

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why does d e^x / dx = e^x ?
 
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the fact that e^(x+y) = e^x e^y, implies that, if e^x is differentiable, then the derivative is a constant times e^x.the explicit value of the constant depends on the base. the base e is defined as the unique base such that the constant equals 1.
 
\frac{d}{dx}\,e^{x}=\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{e^{x}\left(e^{h}-1\right)}{h}

e=\lim_{h\to 0}\left(1+h\right)^{\frac{1}{h}}\implies e^{h}=\lim_{h\to 0}\left(1+h\right)

Substitute:

\frac{d}{dx}\,e^{x}=\lim_{h\to 0}\frac{e^{x}\left(\left(1+h\right)-1\right)}{h}=\lim_{h\to 0}e^{x}=e^{x}
 
AMF8 said:
why does d e^x / dx = e^x ?

because e^a=e^a*a' and x'=1*dx/dx which is 1
 
Is power series too much?
 
benorin said:
Is power series too much?

Power rule doesn't work for variables.

e^x=> xe^(x-1) is not right as far as i can tell.
 
As Binorin said.
e = 1 + x + \frac {x^2} {2!} + \frac {x^3} {3!} +\frac {x^4} {4!} + ...

Now differentiate.
 
Integral said:
As Binorin said.
e = 1 + x + \frac {x^2} {2!} + \frac {x^3} {3!} +\frac {x^4} {4!} + ...
Now differentiate.
0 = e^x ? :wink:
 
Robokapp said:
Power rule doesn't work for variables.
e^x=> xe^(x-1) is not right as far as i can tell.

Power series != power rule.
 
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neutrino said:
0 = e^x ? :wink:
Hehe, its probably just a typo :biggrin: , it should be:
e^x = 1 + x + \frac{x^2}{2!} + \frac{x^3}{3!} + \cdots

(offcourse :)
 
  • #11
Igor_S said:
Hehe, its probably just a typo :biggrin: , it should be:
e^x = 1 + x + \frac{x^2}{2!} + \frac{x^3}{3!} + \cdots

(offcourse :)
You may be correct :blushing:
 
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\frac{d}{dx} (e^x) = e^x ?

Can it not be stated that that the solution is derived from theorem?
\frac{d}{dx} (a^x) = a^x \ln a
a = e
\frac{d}{dx} (e^x) = e^x \ln e
\ln e = 1
therefore:
\boxed{\frac{d}{dx} (e^x) = e^x}
 
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Orion1 said:
Can it not be argued that that the solution is derived from theorem?

Probably not as that theorem is usually proved by using the derivative of e^x.
 
  • #14
I think series subject is the better one
 
  • #15
Why is \frac d {dx} \exp(x) = \exp(x)? The answer depends on how one defines the exponential function.

1. The exponential function is the function for which
\frac d {dx} \exp(x) = \exp(x)
such that
\exp(0) = 1.
In this case, the answer is because its defined that way.

2. The exponential function is defined by the power series
\exp(x) = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{x^n}{n!}
In this case, differentiating the power series that defines exp(x) yields the same power series.

3. The exponential function is defined by the limit
\exp(x) = \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\left(1+\frac x n\right)^n
In this case, differentiating the limit yields
\exp(x) = \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \left(1+\frac x n\right)^{n-1}
Write the limit definition as
\exp(x) = \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\left(1+\frac x n\right)^{n-1} + \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac x n\left(1+\frac x n\right)^{n-1}
The latter limit is clearly zero. The former limit is the same as the derivative of the defining limit. Thus differentiating the limit that defines exp(x) yields the same limit.
 
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y' = y
\frac{dy}{dx}=y

We multiply with dx on each side and divide by y:

\frac{dy}{y} = dx

Integrals please!

\int{\frac{dy}{y}} = \int{dx}


lny = x+C'

Out of knowledge of the natural logarithm:

y = e^{x+C'}
y = e^xe^{C'}
C=e^{C'}
y = Ce^x

That's it! o:)
 
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VikingF said:
y' = y
\frac{dy}{dx}=y
We multiply with dx on each side and divide by y:
\frac{dy}{y} = dx
Integrals please!
\int{\frac{dy}{y}} = \int{dx}
lny = x+C'
Out of knowledge of the natural logarithm:
y = e^{x+C'}
y = e^xe^{C'}
C=e^{C'}
y = Ce^x
That's it! o:)
Of course, without the knowledge that dex/dx=ex, you wouldn't know that the anti-derivative of 1/x is ln(x)!
 
  • #18
apmcavoy said:
Of course, without the knowledge that dex/dx=ex, you wouldn't know that the anti-derivative of 1/x is ln(x)!

It looks circular, but you could go the other way 'round the circle i.e. start by defining a function as a solution to the integral:

f(x) = \int{\frac{dx}{x}}

Without evaluating the integral (because you don't know how), you can figure out some of the properties of the function and see that it has all the properties of a logarithm function (is there some way to make that more rigourous?) Call it the natural logarithm (it arose naturally in our investigation of that integral). Then ask, what is the base of this mysterious logarithm? What are the properities of the inverse exponential function? Once you find out that this base crops up everywhere in the natural sciences, it makes sense that it is natural exponential function.

My first year calculus textbook did it both ways. Personally I like starting out with the exponential function (DH's post) better.
 
  • #19
cepheid said:
It looks circular, but you could go the other way 'round the circle i.e. start by defining a function as a solution to the integral:
f(x) = \int{\frac{dx}{x}}
Without evaluating the integral (because you don't know how), you can figure out some of the properties of the function and see that it has all the properties of a logarithm function (is there some way to make that more rigourous?) Call it the natural logarithm (it arose naturally in our investigation of that integral). Then ask, what is the base of this mysterious logarithm? What are the properities of the inverse exponential function? Once you find out that this base crops up everywhere in the natural sciences, it makes sense that it is natural exponential function.
My first year calculus textbook did it both ways. Personally I like starting out with the exponential function (DH's post) better.


The way we learned it when we studied engineering, was that ln(x) is defined as the area between the vertical lines t=1, t=x, and between the function y=\frac{1}{t} and the t-axis. (i.e., ln(x)=\int\limits_1^x{\frac{dt}{t}})The constant e is defined as the constant x that makes the area above exactly 1.

Then, by studying this a little closer, we can see that the inverse of ln(x) is e^x. I don't remember quite exactly how we get to that, but that is at least why I wrote it in the post above. :rolleyes:
 
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