The opposite slope means the opposite fraction, or opposite sign?

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The discussion revolves around finding the slope equation of the tangent line to a circle at a given point, specifically point A = (2, 7). The circle's equation is provided, and participants are analyzing the relationship between the slope from the center of the circle to point A and the slope of the tangent line at that point.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the slope from the center of the circle to point A and question the process of determining the slope of the tangent line. There is discussion about the need to invert the slope and the implications of the tangent line's slope being related to the slope from the center.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the slopes, suggesting that the tangent line's slope should be the inverse of the slope from the center to point A. Others are questioning the accuracy of the center's coordinates and the implications of mixed fractions in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a discrepancy regarding the center of the circle, with some participants asserting it is at (-1, 3) while others claim it is at (-1, -3). This uncertainty may affect the calculations and interpretations of the slopes discussed.

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Homework Statement



http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7782/circleb.jpg

I'm supposed to find the slope equation of the tangent line to the circle at point A.
A = (2, 7)

The circle's formula is
(x+1)2+(y+3)2 = 25

The center point of the circle is therefor (-1, 3)

So the slope from the center point to A is

M = [tex]\frac{7-3}{2-(-1)}[/tex]
M = [tex]\frac{4}{3}[/tex]

That's true so far according to the answers.

So I want to plug [tex]\frac{4}{3}[/tex] for slope, just take the opposite sign of it, and from some reason in the solution they flipped 3 and 4 in the fraction for the slope of tangent line to the circle at point A! Here ->

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3995/answerofficial.jpg

That's wrong, am I right?
 
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No. You need to invert them. For example, think about the slope going from the center of the circle to the very top of the circle. Since you're going straight up, the slope must be infinite right (you go [tex]\Delta y = 5[/tex] but [tex]\Delta x =0[/tex])? Now, the tangent line at the top of the circle must have a slope of 0 since it's at the top of the circle right? So, the relationship between the two must be inverses. Making it the negative of it would make no sense because the tangent line's slope is obviously not [tex]-\infty[/tex]
 
Pengwuino said:
No. You need to invert them. For example, think about the slope going from the center of the circle to the very top of the circle. Since you're going straight up, the slope must be infinite right (you go [tex]\Delta y = 5[/tex] but [tex]\Delta x =0[/tex])? Now, the tangent line at the top of the circle must have a slope of 0 since it's at the top of the circle right? So, the relationship between the two must be inverses. Making it the negative of it would make no sense because the tangent line's slope is obviously not [tex]-\infty[/tex]

Brilliant explanation :)) thank you!
 
Femme_physics said:

Homework Statement



http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7782/circleb.jpg

I'm supposed to find the slope equation of the tangent line to the circle at point A.
A = (2, 7)

The circle's formula is
(x+1)2+(y+3)2 = 25

The center point of the circle is therefor (-1, 3)
No, the center is at (-1, -3).
Femme_physics said:
So the slope from the center point to A is

M = [tex]\frac{7-3}{2-(-1)}[/tex]



M = [tex]\frac{4}{3}[/tex]

That's true so far according to the answers.

So I want to plug [tex]\frac{4}{3}[/tex] for slope, just take the opposite sign of it, and from some reason in the solution they flipped 3 and 4 in the fraction for the slope of tangent line to the circle at point A! Here ->

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3995/answerofficial.jpg

That's wrong, am I right?
The last image is confusing. What is the symbol after 8 1/2?
Also, mixed fractions such as 8 1/2 are seldom used in math texts because they could be interpreted as 8 + 1/2 or 8 * 1/2. Usually you see these as 15/2 or 7.5, but not as a mixed fraction.
 
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Femme_physics said:

Homework Statement



http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7782/circleb.jpg

I'm supposed to find the slope equation of the tangent line to the circle at point A.
A = (2, 7)

The circle's formula is
(x+1)2+(y+3)2 = 25

The center point of the circle is therefor (-1, 3)

Mark44 said:
No, the center is at (-1, -3).

I suspect the OP made a typo in the equation for the circle. According to the diagram, the center M looks to be at (-1, 3). So the equation for the circle should be
[tex](x + 1)^2 + (y - 3)^2 = 25[/tex]
 
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