The Paulding Light Mystery

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im personaly interested..im going to check them out myself sometime btwn july 24th and the begining of august...im deff. guna see bout taking some equipment to do my own research
 
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im personaly interested..im going to check them out myself sometime btwn july 24th and the begining of august...im deff. guna see bout taking some equipment to do my own research
If you want to do a test, check to see if the emission spectrum of the lights matches that of car headlights. You will probably solve the mystery right then and there.
 
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yes that wld be a great test
 
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Spectral measurements will likely be inconclusive or misleading unless you account for atmospheric absorption and the dispersion (prism effect) of the optical ducting.

I'll say this; if it's headlights you should start to see some bluer ones. Metal halide headlamps have very distintive spectra that could be distinguished from filamented headlamps.
 
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Spectral measurements will likely be inconclusive or misleading unless you account for atmospheric absorption and the dispersion (prism effect) of the optical ducting.

I'll say this; if it's headlights you should start to see some bluer ones. Metal halide headlamps have very distintive spectra that could be distinguished from filamented headlamps.
Yes, I was thinking more in terms of fingerprints rather the entire emission spectrum. Presumably, there would be clear peaks that would match.
 
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Duh, it seems that there is a much easier way to do this. I would have expected the lights to be too bright to view directly, but it sounds like a telescope does the trick.

Using a telescope, we were able to identify the light as being the headlights and taillights of cars in the distance. The cars were driving on a hill north of Paulding on Hwy 45...
http://www.unexplainedresearch.com/files_anomalies/paulding_light.html
 
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...it really should be possible to positively identify the source with binoculars or a telescope -
I never saw this [old thread]. It sounds like that will do it.
 
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has anyone looked into the power lines overhead?? I dont know if it is possible for power lines to give that light off, but if so, would that not be an obvious source to check? could it not be an arc or some sort or a high voltage spark? maybe some optical illusion or anomoly stemming from the electricity?
 
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I believe I have explained the Paulding Light mystery using nothing more than Google satellite photos. See if you agree. First we'll take a look at the daytime view from the viewing area. Ridge two is where the light appears to come from http://www.flickr.com/photos/61718250@N00/4886952517/

Next we'll look at an aerial photo to compare the view from the viewing area to the geography of the area. In this photo you can see the two ridges from the previous picture as well as the viewing area. This is where my hypothesis comes into play. At the top of the photo you can also see three residences which are placed on top of the second ridge and the road which leads to these homes is in direct line of sight to the Paulding Light viewing area. http://www.flickr.com/photos/61718250@N00/4887554168/

Here is a closer image of the residences.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61718250@N00/4886951205/

The last image will debunk the theory that the lights come from the highways. The area of forest cut out for the power line zig-zags to avoid a lake which means any line of sight to the highway would be obscured.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61718250@N00/4886951865/

It seems that the Paulding Lights are, in fact, car lights. These are the cars that belong to the residents that live north of the viewing area. You would be able to see the lights as they were coming and going. If the residents have a sense of humor perhaps they sometimes turn on their lights from the ridge and give everyone down at the viewing area something to talk about later.

For an unedited google satellite photo of the site visit this address: http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...246,-89.172249&spn=0.032634,0.076475&t=h&z=14
 
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Would you mind bringing a few friends over and triangulating the position of the lights? The news teams meant in that skeptoid link failed at triangulating, but if it is possible to see the lights from widely separated locations, I don't see why triangulation shouldn't be successful even if they are mirages.



If you walk too close, yes; that makes sense. The Fata Morgana mirage is due to light going up, bending, and coming down again into the observer's eyes. As the observer moves closer, the light is forced to take a higher path; light rays on a low path travel a large horizontal distance between meeting the low-refraction-index air that bends them down again, meaning they'll overshoot the observer. Eventually, the angle required exceeds the critical angle for total internal reflection and the mirage disappears.


Exactly the answer! From the evidence I've seen it is the Sun reflecting off the lake over 8 mis away in the distance then bouncing upward to create the mirage. That is why it is seen just after the Sun sets at Paulding and only lasts until the Sun sets behind the lake. With Google Map you can extend a line following the road/transmission line to the west and find the cause for the effect. With some digging you will probably find that the building of the road corresponds to the start of the lights. That cut acts as a lens. Of course, if it can be seen during a cloudy night that covers far over the horizon, then I'm wrong about the Sun.

Proof could be found by having a lift to observe from and seeing if the light shows at the same time from the base to the high point of the lift. If there is a difference, then it is a mirage effect. Great effect even though it is explainable.
 
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Did anyone see Paranormal Facts or Fiction on Sci Fi? Has former FBI agent, journalist, specialists with photography and other specialties. They tried to debunk Paulding Light. First they tried a plane with something like 10,000 candle light power light - looked like it but could not fly low enough to place it where the light appears. They drove up the lane to get closer. They could no longer see it, yet others back in the observation area could still clearly see it. Last, they tried to drive along US 45 with their lights on, light off, back up lights - everything they could think of and still could not recreate the light. In fact, when their lights were off, the light continued to pulsate and shine. They found no anomaly on any experiment they tried.

Would love to go up there myself and see the lights - and it remains a complete mystery.
 
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I too have been studying this using a daytime photo and Google Earth but have arrived at a different conclusion. First, the area almost certainly has never been a rail line. The grades are far too steep. Railway architects limit grades to a maximum of 3%. The grade from the observation point to the second barricade is 6%. This tends to rule out the local assertion of a rail line once running through there. The observation point is at about 1472 feet elevation. The top of the first hill to the north is roughly the same. The distant hill seen in the picture shown above provided by W. F. Edsel is the local high spot at 1496 feet. The power company right of way beyond that hill to the north drops off very sharply to about 1350 feet on average all the way to where the right of way merges with route 45 some 2.5 miles away. The topography would seem to prevent any possibility for stray light from the roadway or nearby homes to make it back the viewing site. The hill at 1496 feet is exactly 0.75 miles from the observation point. Given the topography this is the most likely spot for the light source to be located. It appears below the cross arms of the power poles and very nearly on the line they describe through the forest. Investigations would do well to focus on that spot. I suspect the light source is mounted on one of those poles or very near them and that this whole thing is a local hoax perpetrated to generate tourism.
 
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My only problem with your assertions is the fact that this began 40 plus years ago. I really don't think it'd be a local hoax without some updating of technology - plus, why then doesn't the light continue to appear when people move toward it? It should be seen from the sky when flying and from other sources.

What I'd like to know is what perhaps changed about 40 years ago or so or what perhaps was built?
 
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It is just a light. The technology existed 40 years ago just as it does today. I suspect the light is shielded to narrow the angles from which it is visible much like a traffic signal. It may also be shuttered to accommodate the apparent size and brightness changes and to hide it during daylight hours.
 
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Why don't two people with cellphones just coordinate so that one drives on the highway while the other watches from the viewing point? When the guy at the viewing point reports seeing the light, the driver can flash his headlights on and off. If the viewer reports seeing that, it's been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that is the origin of the light.
 
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Why don't two people with cellphones just coordinate so that one drives on the highway while the other watches from the viewing point? When the guy at the viewing point reports seeing the light, the driver can flash his headlights on and off. If the viewer reports seeing that, it's been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that is the origin of the light.
The highway won't help much. You have to be in the utility right-of-way but yes, that is a good plan.
 
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Why don't two people with cellphones just coordinate so that one drives on the highway while the other watches from the viewing point? When the guy at the viewing point reports seeing the light, the driver can flash his headlights on and off. If the viewer reports seeing that, it's been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that is the origin of the light.
This was done on the show Fact or Faked a couple of nights ago. Sure enough not a speck of light can be seen. . They tried there brights and hazards as well. Nothing. You can view the episode here http://www.syfy.com/rewind/?sid=1236528&eid=1243938
 
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they actually did that on the Sci Fi program - only used walkie talkies. Couldn't see the car lights from the road - and when the car lights were on, the Paulding light continued.
 
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Think I figured it out...

Was looking at some pictures of Paulding Light and I think I notice something that nobody might have thought of as an explanation. I do realize in the show (fact or faked) they did drive down the path and seen nothing while the one guy hung back and still seen the light, that got me to thinking...looking at a day time picture the light seems to appear almost in same spot as the power lines. I wonder if they are actually looking from a vantage point to where that looking parallel to the wires, or looking down a length of wire. I think what might be happening is as the voltage is traveling down the lines they are creating magnetic fields which is causing the air to ions a bit. This small bit of ionization might be nothing visible when you are looking at it from one angle, but when you down a long length of wire it becomes more obvious. Think of it like a pain of glass, looking through it is easy till you turn on its side and then all you see is that greenish tent, the more glass you look through the cloudier it gets, right... well same thing here, looking straight up at the powers line you can see right through the ionization however when you look down the lines in just the right way you might see the glow the of ions as the field appears denser from that angle. Ion fields can glow many different colors depending on the atmosphere, but normally its a blue-ish/white-ish color...and sometimes purple-ish.

I believe this is what people are seeing, why its in same location as powers lines, and why it disappears as you try to go down the path to look at it. Anyway that's my two cents on matter.
 
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Why wouldn't we see this everywhere? Why would it be unique to Paulding? Where else do we see this effect?

I don't see this is a viable explanation. The lights are simply too bright. If it were just a very faint glow, it might seem feasible, but even that would be dicey at best.
 
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think you would see this other in places if you had a vantage point to where you could look down a long distance of high voltage lines, I just don't think its that common to have a vantage point where you can see miles down the side (parallel) of a power line.

Well the ions would be a faint glow which is why there not visible from other propestives. However I'm thinking when you look down the line at this angle you're actually looking through billions of ions and all the faint glows of the ions are seeming adding up up to one bright glow.







Why wouldn't we see this everywhere? Why would it be unique to Paulding? Where else do we see this effect?

I don't see this is a viable explanation. The lights are simply too bright. If it were just a very faint glow, it might seem feasible, but even that would be dicey at best.
 
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Doing a little more research I Been reading on ions around power lines. I've read during peak hours (7pm to 12pm) it's very common for power lines to become overloaded creating higher magnetic fields causing them to produce lager amount of ionizations around the lines. It could be both the prospective one is looking down the lines combined with the lines becoming overloaded. If anybody on this forum is planing a trip can you please note the time they appaered so we can cross reference it with the power companies peak hours for that night?
 
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The show(fact or faked) will come on tonight (repeat) at 11:00PM est on the scifi channel and covers the light mystery. As you will see they cover all the theories mentioned here including detection of swamp gas......none of those are it.
 
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I had just visited the paulding light location last night. we got there around 8:30 pm and left at around 11pm. I can tell you that it's really something to see. We travelled from Green Bay Wis. in a 3 hour drive to upper michigan. The light was showing when we got there and still continued as we left. I can definitely rule out headlights. You can tell when there are headlights and tail lights on the hill. Because there will obviously be 2 red lights or 2 white lights next to each other. it wasn't hard to distinguish the difference. even as the cars were passing on the hill. The light was still shining bright with the cars seeming to be oblivious to the light. None of the cars stopped. probably because they couldn't see it. You're probably asking how I was able to see the headlights, taillights, plus the paulding light and be able to tell the difference between the three at such a far distance. Well. while everyone was watching the light through their viewfinders of their digital cameras that only had about 10x zoom on them. I had a clear view of all the lights with a digital camera that has 26x zoom. What makes this light strange is that from my experience, I can focus on a star, the moon, headlights, bright lightbulbs, and fire. Take a picture of all those light sources and not have any problem capturing a crystal clear infocus picture of the source of light. But, last night. I was able to focus on the light and take a picture of it. but what turned out after the picture was captured was a huge flood of light on the screen. all the pictures of the paulding light turned out like that. but the pictures I took of the headlights and tail lights came out very clearly. at times, the light would get so bright that it would be difficult to look at without causing you to see white spots in your eyes. another strange thing, ( and I don't know if anyone else looked close enough) is that a couple of times throughout the night. The light seemed to be moving slightly up and down. and side to side. The movement was little but was pretty quick. Next time I go up there I will be doing some investigating on the top of that hill. possibly put a video camera up there and have it rolling during the night to see if anything shows up.
 

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